Sunday, April 28, 2024

Stockton, the Glove Payton Score 30 to Wrap Our Hoops Season of 234 All-Time Great Teams

 We have now played all 234 Value Add Basketball Game teams at least once, and we finished with two of our biggest offensive performances ever. "The Glove," Gary Payton, scored 31 points to lead Oregon State 1990 past Yale 2024 then John Stockton outdid him with 36 points to lead Gonzaga 1984 to an upset win over Grand Canyon 2024.(Box Scores Added at bottom from both games).

Click here for all our scores to date and our updated rankings.

The impressive 84-73 win for Oregon State moves them up from being ranked 170th to 140th in our all-time rankings, and they are now the 5th best of 11 teams who will compete in the Mountain West/Pac-12 next season. With Yale not able to repeat an upset like they had in the actual 2024 March Madness against Auburn, they dropped from 226th to 228th and to 13th of 18 all-time Mid-Major games.

Gonzaga is still 7th of 7 all-time West Coast Conference teams in the game, including three later teams from Gonzaga, but they moved up from 229th to 216th of the all-time teams in the game. Their 84-79 win dropped Grand Canyon 2024 from 217th to 225th overall, and one spot ahead of Yale in the all-time Mid-Major standings at 12th of 18.

The following is our all-time top 10 after all teams have played at least once and the better teams were in big tournaments we played. The biggest surprise is #10 Kansas 2008, who we ranked only at 51st overall before games were played. We do still have women's teams who have yet to play, and may pick that up later with the WNBA season starting May 14. Their scores and rankings are tracked here.

Rnk Pre  Team             Year  Player(s)                            WLScoreAllowSOSRatingConf Conf Rnk 
11UCLA1972Bill Walton #646072.062.02.816.2B101
217Kansas1997Paul Pierce #505076.862.4-1.012.8B121
36Ohio St.1960Jerry Lucas #72, John Havlicek #292184.
47Indiana1976Scott May3171.359.8-0.811.3B103
514Houston1968Elvin Hayes #413173.063.84.311.1B122
64Duke2001Shane Battier3178.372.53.511.1ACC1
78Connecticut2023Adama Sanogo2078.558.0-11.011.0BE1
812North Carolina1982Michael Jordan #1, James Worthy #595168.865.06.210.8ACC2
915North Carolina2005Sean May3272.264.43.810.4ACC3
1051Kansas2008Mario Chalmers5174.756.0-0.710.3B123

Gonzaga (1984) 84, Grand Canyon (2014) 79

Pos       Gonzaga 1984            Pts   3pt2pt   FTAtt     RebStlBlkFl  Actual Stats
1-PGJohn Stockton3641122220420.9 pts, 6'1
2-SGBryce McPhee190834530418.2 pts, 6'3
3-SFJeff Condill60300700212.1 pts, 6'3
4-PFJason Van Nort40202301211 pts, 6'9
5-CTim Ruff2010090219 pts, 6'10
PosBench PlayersPts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual Stats
1-PGMark Matthews4020010014.8 pts, 6'4
4-PFJeff Reinert3011210026.7 pts, 6'7
5-CDave Clement2010010013.1 pts, 6'6
 Danny Roe2010011011.2 pts, 6'7
 Blair Anderson6030040017.3 pts, 6'9
 13 Turnovers84433610346319 
PosGrand Canyon 2024Pts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual Stats
1-PGRay Harrison130455220313.5 pts, 6'4
2-SGCollin Moore9114431038.2 pts, 6'4
3-SFTyon Grant-Foster243633515220.1 pts, 6'7
4-PFGabe McGlothan142244711212.8 pts, 6'7
5-CDuke Brennan6030050216.9 pts, 6'10
PosBench PlayersPts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual Stats
1-PGJovan Blacksher2010010024.2 pts, 5'11
2-SGJosh Baker2010010012.6 pts, 6'4
3-SFIsaiah Shaw2010010012.3 pts, 6'8
4-PFSydney Curry2010010012.9 pts, 6'8
5-CLok Wur5021140215.4 pts, 6'9
 15 Turnovers7962217173051017

Oregon State (1990) 84, Yale (2024) 73

Pos     Yale 2024                Pts   3pt2pt   FTAtt    RebStlBlkFl   Actual Stats
1-PGBez Mbeng111322230111.2 pts, 6'4
2-SGAugust Mahoney71200230210.6 pts, 6'4
3-SFJohn Poulakidas102122300113.6 pts, 6'6
4-PFMatt Knowling120524600211.7 pts, 6'6
5-CDanny Wolf1724341003214.5 pts, 7'0
PosBench PlayersPts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual Stats
1-PGYassine Gharram6030010012.5 pts, 6'3
2-SGNick Townsend2010020025.8 pts, 6'7
3-SFCasey Simmons4020010023.2 pts, 6'6
4-PFJack Molloy2010010011.2 pts, 6'8
5-CSamson Aletan2010010011.7 pts, 6'10
 16 Turnovers73623912296315 
PosOregon St. 1990Pts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual Stats
1-PGWill Brantley60300320212.5 pts, 5'5
2-SGGary Payton3131102251111.4 pts, 6'0
3-SFEarl Martin142400610210.9 pts, 6'0
4-PFTeo Alibegovic80322310317.1 pts, 6'4
5-CScott Haskin803221102415.2 pts, 6'7
PosBench PlayersPts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual Stats
1-PGCharles McKinney4020010014.6 pts, 5'6
2-SGAllan Celestine8121211024.8 pts, 5'7
3-SFLaMont McIntosh2010010018.5 pts, 6'0
4-PFKarl Anderson3011220012.2 pts, 6'2
5-C 0         
 10 Turnovers846306103010317

Based on each team's cards, we assigned them a preseason ranking based only on the cards. That is their preseason ranking. We then adjust for the result of each game played.

The first list below is the list of the 10 biggest disappointments - teams who played much worst in the games we played then how good we believe they actually are. For example, we thought Kareem's UCLA as the third best team in the game, and Florida's repeat champs were the 13th best. But Florida is only 5-3 in the season, and UCLA was stunned by DePaul's 1980 team.

That leads to the flip side, which is that DePaul 1980 heads the list of our biggest surprises. That win over Kareem and two other big wins moved them up from our 124th preseason ranking to 28th of all time. Beneath them is the top 10 nicest surprises.

Rnk after gamesRnk based on cards10 DisappointmentsYearPlayer(s)WLScoreAllowSOS
20283Wake Forest2005Chris Paul #300364.385.34.0
234229Princeton2023Tosan Evbuomwan0150.0102.00.0
6813Florida2006Joakim Noah5374.472.0-5.1
343UCLA1967Kareem Abdul-Jabbar #32183.087.00.7
194122Creighton2014Doug McDermott0366.380.0-0.3
206141New Mexico1974Bernard Hardin0168.095.0-3.0
218181Butler2010Gordon Hayward0354.776.33.7
222193Texas2007Kevin Durant #130162.082.0-13.0
182Kentucky2012Anthony Davis #534272.265.7-3.5
190121Louisville1980Darrell Griffith0152.082.03.0
Rnk after gamesRank based cards/ how good we believe team is10 Nicest SurprisesYearPlayer(s)WLScoreAllowSOS
28124DePaul1980Mark Aguirre3176.868.85.3
56182Colorado2021McKinley Wright3082.378.01.3
2298Auburn2019Chuma Okeke8171.065.31.9
2499Western Kentucky1966Clem Haskins4079.869.3-0.3
1051Kansas2008Mario Chalmers5174.756.0-0.7
67183North Carolina2022Armando Bacot2080.568.0-2.5
1352Baylor2021Jared Butler2286.078.56.0
39100Rutgers1976Phil Sellers2090.575.5-4.0
2670Houston2021Quentin Grimes10102.050.0-16.0
1753Connecticut2004Ben Gordon5274.766.00.6

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