Stockton, the Glove Payton Score 30 to Wrap Our Hoops Season of 234 All-Time Great Teams

 We have now played all 234 Value Add Basketball Game teams at least once, and we finished with two of our biggest offensive performances ever. "The Glove," Gary Payton, scored 31 points to lead Oregon State 1990 past Yale 2024 then John Stockton outdid him with 36 points to lead Gonzaga 1984 to an upset win over Grand Canyon 2024.(Box Scores Added at bottom from both games).

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The impressive 84-73 win for Oregon State moves them up from being ranked 170th to 140th in our all-time rankings, and they are now the 5th best of 11 teams who will compete in the Mountain West/Pac-12 next season. With Yale not able to repeat an upset like they had in the actual 2024 March Madness against Auburn, they dropped from 226th to 228th and to 13th of 18 all-time Mid-Major games.

Gonzaga is still 7th of 7 all-time West Coast Conference teams in the game, including three later teams from Gonzaga, but they moved up from 229th to 216th of the all-time teams in the game. Their 84-79 win dropped Grand Canyon 2024 from 217th to 225th overall, and one spot ahead of Yale in the all-time Mid-Major standings at 12th of 18.

The following is our all-time top 10 after all teams have played at least once and the better teams were in big tournaments we played. The biggest surprise is #10 Kansas 2008, who we ranked only at 51st overall before games were played. We do still have women's teams who have yet to play, and may pick that up later with the WNBA season starting May 14. Their scores and rankings are tracked here.

 

Rnk	Pre	Team	Year	Player(s)	W	L	Score	Allow	SOS	Rating	Conf	Conf Rnk
1	1	UCLA	1972	Bill Walton #64	6	0	72.0	62.0	2.8	16.2	B10	1
2	17	Kansas	1997	Paul Pierce #50	5	0	76.8	62.4	-1.0	12.8	B12	1
3	6	Ohio St.	1960	Jerry Lucas #72, John Havlicek #29	2	1	84.0	76.3	5.0	11.8	B10	2
4	7	Indiana	1976	Scott May	3	1	71.3	59.8	-0.8	11.3	B10	3
5	14	Houston	1968	Elvin Hayes #41	3	1	73.0	63.8	4.3	11.1	B12	2
6	4	Duke	2001	Shane Battier	3	1	78.3	72.5	3.5	11.1	ACC	1
7	8	Connecticut	2023	Adama Sanogo	2	0	78.5	58.0	-11.0	11.0	BE	1
8	12	North Carolina	1982	Michael Jordan #1, James Worthy #59	5	1	68.8	65.0	6.2	10.8	ACC	2
9	15	North Carolina	2005	Sean May	3	2	72.2	64.4	3.8	10.4	ACC	3
10	51	Kansas	2008	Mario Chalmers	5	1	74.7	56.0	-0.7	10.3	B12	3

Gonzaga (1984) 84, Grand Canyon (2014) 79

 

Pos	Gonzaga 1984	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	John Stockton	36	4	11	2	2	2	2	0	4	20.9 pts, 6'1
2-SG	Bryce McPhee	19	0	8	3	4	5	3	0	4	18.2 pts, 6'3
3-SF	Jeff Condill	6	0	3	0	0	7	0	0	2	12.1 pts, 6'3
4-PF	Jason Van Nort	4	0	2	0	2	3	0	1	2	11 pts, 6'9
5-C	Tim Ruff	2	0	1	0	0	9	0	2	1	9 pts, 6'10
Pos	Bench Players	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	Mark Matthews	4	0	2	0	0	1	0	0	1	4.8 pts, 6'4
4-PF	Jeff Reinert	3	0	1	1	2	1	0	0	2	6.7 pts, 6'7
5-C	Dave Clement	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	3.1 pts, 6'6
	Danny Roe	2	0	1	0	0	1	1	0	1	1.2 pts, 6'7
	Blair Anderson	6	0	3	0	0	4	0	0	1	7.3 pts, 6'9
	13 Turnovers	84	4	33	6	10	34	6	3	19
Pos	Grand Canyon 2024	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	Ray Harrison	13	0	4	5	5	2	2	0	3	13.5 pts, 6'4
2-SG	Collin Moore	9	1	1	4	4	3	1	0	3	8.2 pts, 6'4
3-SF	Tyon Grant-Foster	24	3	6	3	3	5	1	5	2	20.1 pts, 6'7
4-PF	Gabe McGlothan	14	2	2	4	4	7	1	1	2	12.8 pts, 6'7
5-C	Duke Brennan	6	0	3	0	0	5	0	2	1	6.9 pts, 6'10
Pos	Bench Players	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	Jovan Blacksher	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	2	4.2 pts, 5'11
2-SG	Josh Baker	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.6 pts, 6'4
3-SF	Isaiah Shaw	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.3 pts, 6'8
4-PF	Sydney Curry	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.9 pts, 6'8
5-C	Lok Wur	5	0	2	1	1	4	0	2	1	5.4 pts, 6'9
	15 Turnovers	79	6	22	17	17	30	5	10	17

Oregon State (1990) 84, Yale (2024) 73

 

Pos	Yale 2024	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	Bez Mbeng	11	1	3	2	2	2	3	0	1	11.2 pts, 6'4
2-SG	August Mahoney	7	1	2	0	0	2	3	0	2	10.6 pts, 6'4
3-SF	John Poulakidas	10	2	1	2	2	3	0	0	1	13.6 pts, 6'6
4-PF	Matt Knowling	12	0	5	2	4	6	0	0	2	11.7 pts, 6'6
5-C	Danny Wolf	17	2	4	3	4	10	0	3	2	14.5 pts, 7'0
Pos	Bench Players	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	Yassine Gharram	6	0	3	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.5 pts, 6'3
2-SG	Nick Townsend	2	0	1	0	0	2	0	0	2	5.8 pts, 6'7
3-SF	Casey Simmons	4	0	2	0	0	1	0	0	2	3.2 pts, 6'6
4-PF	Jack Molloy	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	1.2 pts, 6'8
5-C	Samson Aletan	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	1.7 pts, 6'10
	16 Turnovers	73	6	23	9	12	29	6	3	15
Pos	Oregon St. 1990	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	Will Brantley	6	0	3	0	0	3	2	0	2	12.5 pts, 5'5
2-SG	Gary Payton	31	3	11	0	2	2	5	1	1	11.4 pts, 6'0
3-SF	Earl Martin	14	2	4	0	0	6	1	0	2	10.9 pts, 6'0
4-PF	Teo Alibegovic	8	0	3	2	2	3	1	0	3	17.1 pts, 6'4
5-C	Scott Haskin	8	0	3	2	2	11	0	2	4	15.2 pts, 6'7
Pos	Bench Players	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Actual Stats
1-PG	Charles McKinney	4	0	2	0	0	1	0	0	1	4.6 pts, 5'6
2-SG	Allan Celestine	8	1	2	1	2	1	1	0	2	4.8 pts, 5'7
3-SF	LaMont McIntosh	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	8.5 pts, 6'0
4-PF	Karl Anderson	3	0	1	1	2	2	0	0	1	2.2 pts, 6'2
5-C		0
	10 Turnovers	84	6	30	6	10	30	10	3	17

Based on each team's cards, we assigned them a preseason ranking based only on the cards. That is their preseason ranking. We then adjust for the result of each game played.

The first list below is the list of the 10 biggest disappointments - teams who played much worst in the games we played then how good we believe they actually are. For example, we thought Kareem's UCLA as the third best team in the game, and Florida's repeat champs were the 13th best. But Florida is only 5-3 in the season, and UCLA was stunned by DePaul's 1980 team.

That leads to the flip side, which is that DePaul 1980 heads the list of our biggest surprises. That win over Kareem and two other big wins moved them up from our 124th preseason ranking to 28th of all time. Beneath them is the top 10 nicest surprises.

Rnk after games	Rnk based on cards	10 Disappointments	Year	Player(s)	W	L	Score	Allow	SOS
202	83	Wake Forest	2005	Chris Paul #30	0	3	64.3	85.3	4.0
234	229	Princeton	2023	Tosan Evbuomwan	0	1	50.0	102.0	0.0
68	13	Florida	2006	Joakim Noah	5	3	74.4	72.0	-5.1
34	3	UCLA	1967	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar #3	2	1	83.0	87.0	0.7
194	122	Creighton	2014	Doug McDermott	0	3	66.3	80.0	-0.3
206	141	New Mexico	1974	Bernard Hardin	0	1	68.0	95.0	-3.0
218	181	Butler	2010	Gordon Hayward	0	3	54.7	76.3	3.7
222	193	Texas	2007	Kevin Durant #13	0	1	62.0	82.0	-13.0
18	2	Kentucky	2012	Anthony Davis #53	4	2	72.2	65.7	-3.5
190	121	Louisville	1980	Darrell Griffith	0	1	52.0	82.0	3.0
Rnk after games	Rank based cards/ how good we believe team is	10 Nicest Surprises	Year	Player(s)	W	L	Score	Allow	SOS
28	124	DePaul	1980	Mark Aguirre	3	1	76.8	68.8	5.3
56	182	Colorado	2021	McKinley Wright	3	0	82.3	78.0	1.3
22	98	Auburn	2019	Chuma Okeke	8	1	71.0	65.3	1.9
24	99	Western Kentucky	1966	Clem Haskins	4	0	79.8	69.3	-0.3
10	51	Kansas	2008	Mario Chalmers	5	1	74.7	56.0	-0.7
67	183	North Carolina	2022	Armando Bacot	2	0	80.5	68.0	-2.5
13	52	Baylor	2021	Jared Butler	2	2	86.0	78.5	6.0
39	100	Rutgers	1976	Phil Sellers	2	0	90.5	75.5	-4.0
26	70	Houston	2021	Quentin Grimes	1	0	102.0	50.0	-16.0
17	53	Connecticut	2004	Ben Gordon	5	2	74.7	66.0	0.6