Friday, January 17, 2020

Blue Bloods Battle for All-Time Sweet 16: Jordan (21 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 steals) vs. Anthony Davis (24, 13, 2 and 4 blocks)

Michael Jordan (21 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals) lead his 1982 UNC team against Anthony Davis (24 points, 13 rebounds, 2 steals, 4 blocked shots) and his Kentucky 2012 team as the biggest blue blood game of our 3rd round of all-time great teams. Click here for free player cards for all 96 great teams and the updated "quick start" instructions so you can play your own games.


While AD had the edge in overall stats, MJ and the TarHeels kept a lead the whole way with Kentucky finally cutting it to 54-53 with 7:54 (13 possessions) to play.

However, Sam Perkins scored and was fouled to make it 57-53, then UNC had 2 stops followed by 3-pointers by James Worthy and Matt Dougherty to take control 63-54 and the Wildcats never threatened again. The scoresheet is below followed by the other 3rd round games to get down to the all-time Sweet 16.



It turned out half the teams advancing are from the 21st century while the other 16 range from 1957 (Wilt Chamberlain's Kansas) to 1997 (Mike Bibby's Arizona).

The accounts of the 32 second round games are posted here and here. The accounts of the 1st round games (9 seeds through 24 seeds) are posted by region - East, West, Midwest and South. In the 1st round games (#24 seeds through #9 seeds) underdogs pull upsets only 28% of the time (9-23), while in the 2nd round (winners vs. #1 to $8 seeds) underdogs pulled upsets 38% of the time (12-20).

Below are the brackets leading up to the 3rd round games, and we list the results of the 3rd round games above each Regional Bracket:

West Bracket and Results


West: UCLA #1 Overall Seed, Winner Faces East Region Champ in Semifinals. 3rd round: #1 UCLA (1972) 78, #9 Arizona (1997) - Arizona's Mike Bibby out scored his dad Henry Bibby 15-11 in the match-up of shooting guards, but Bill Walton (10 pts, 9 Reb) pulled away to advance to the 4th round.


East Bracket and Results


East: Kentucky #4 Overall Seed, Winner Faces West Region Champ in Semifinals: #2 NC State (1974) 68, UNC (2005) 67. Towes and David Thompson combined for 41 points, both had 3 steals and Thompson added 5 blocked shots, but Rashad McCant's capped 17-7 run with a fast break 3-pointers to give UNC a brief 67-66 lead. Tim Stoddard was fouled on am offensive rebound and hit both free throws, and UNC turned it over without getting off a potential game-winner.


Midwest Bracket and Results


Midwest: Indiana #2 Overall Seed, Winner Faces South Region Champ in Semifinals. #1 Indiana (1976) 69, #8 Purdue (2018) 57. Purdue's feared 3-point shooting shot Carsen Edwards and crew to a 43-29 lead with 16:58 (28 possessions) to go, but Scott May and Quinn Buckner's dominant steals (13-6 Indiana edge) and the Hoosiers 39-31 rebounding edge helped them go on a 20-3 run from that point to lead 49-46 and never look back.


South Bracket and Results

South: Kansas Overall #3 seed, Winner Faces Midwest Region Champ in Semifinals; #11 Auburn (2019) 87, #3 Florida (2006) 81 - Chuma Okeke (20 pts, 7 Reb, 4 steals) and Joakim Noah (18 pts, 4 blocked shots) were a classic battle of PF but if Okeke were not injured before the final 4 they likely would have one the title handily, and they kept alive in the all-time with this upset. UNC prevailed with Michael Jordan despite a dominant performance by Kentucky's Anthony Davis (see above).



Keep in mind each school was only allowed one team per century, so the Pac-12 and UCLA would likely have several other teams in the top 25 and UNC and Kentucky might as well if that was not our rule.

Previous Update from Conclusion of 2nd Round


At the end of the 2nd round of the all-time great tournament, we ranked the top 25 based on how good the team looks based on their player cards but also how impressive they looked in their opening game(s). Click here for free player cards for all 96 great teams and the updated "quick start" instructions so you can play your own games. An explanation and the brackets with all 2nd round scores appear below this top 25.

Top 25 After 2 Rounds: Bold is 3rd round win after these rankings, italics 3rd round loss. If the line is not bold or italics, then the score shown is the Round 2 win. ^ indicates team will move up, or ^^ way up as result of Round 3 result.


RankSchoolYearConfRegionSeed2nd Round (bold = 3rd round)
1Kansas2008Big 12South1beat Tennessee 1977
2Indiana1976Big TenMidwest1beat Purdue (2018) 69-57
3Michigan St.1979Big TenMidwest2beat Notre Dame 1970
4UNC1982ACCSouth2beat LSU 2006
5Kentucky2012SECSouth7beat Georgia
6North Carolina St.1974ACCEast2beat Seton Hall 1989
7Memphis2008CUSASouth9beat Louisville 1980
8Louisville2013Big EastWest3beat San Diego St
9^^UCLA1972Pac-8West1beat Arizona (1997) 78-63
10Florida2006SECSouth3beat Auburn 1984
11Kansas1957Big 7South5beat Oklahoma St 2004
12Houston1968IndSouth4beat Texas Tech 2019
13Wisconsin2015Big TenMidwest7beat . Illinois 2005
14Villanova2018Big EastEast4beat . WVU 2010
15Connecticut2004Big EastMidwest5beat K-State 2008
16Virginia2019ACCEast3beat . Georgia Tech 2004
17UNLV1991Big WestWest2Beat UCLA 2006
18Cincinnati1960MVCWest4Beat Gonzaga 2017
19Ohio St.2007Big TenMidwest11beat . Michigan 1989
20Arizona2015Pac-12West10Beat San Fran 1956
21Syracuse1987Big EastEast12beat Virginia 1981
22UTEP (TX W)1966IndWest6beat Marquette 1977
23Duke2011ACCEast9beat Uconn 1999
24UNC2005ACCEast7beat Duke 1992
25Georgetown1984Big EastEast11beat Maryland 2002
OtherArizona1997Pac-10West9lost to UCLA (1972) 63-78
OtherAuburn2019SECSouth11beat Arkansas 1994
OtherMichigan St.2009Big TenMidwest14beat Ohio St 1960
OtherMissouri1982Big 8West12Beat Loyola 1963
OtherOklahoma1985Big 8Midwest13beat Purdue 1969
OtherPurdue2018Big TenMidwest8lost to Indiana (1976) 57-69
OtherWake Forest1996ACCEast16beat Kentucky 1996
NITArkansas1994SEC South6lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITCincinnati2002CUSAMidwest9lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITDuke1992ACCEast10lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITKentucky1996SEC East1lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITLouisville1980MetroSouth8lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITLoyola1963IndWest5lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMarquette1977IndWest11lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMarquette2003CUSAEast13lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMaryland2002ACCEast6lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMichigan1989Big TenMidwest6lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITOhio State1960Big TenMidwest3lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITOklahoma St1946MVCSouth10lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITPurdue1969Big TenMidwest4lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITSan Francisco1956CBAWest7lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITSyracuse2003Big EastWest8lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITVirginia1981ACCEast5lost, 2nd chance NIT

The 7 teams that are still alive in the tournament but I do not rank in the Top 25 are listed as "other" and I took 16 great teams who were upset or played a great game against a great team before losing - and those teams were not considered for the top 25 but I have put them in a "consolation" NIT - most notably the Kentucky team that was stunned by Tim Duncan and Wake Forest.

UCLA 1972 looked like the best team entering the all-time great basketball tournament, but Oregon 2017 gave them a run so we dropped them down to 7th behind a few teams that really looked impressive. On the flip side, the team it looked like we most underestimated may have been Memphis 2008. They had the most lopsided win of the tournament with an 82-52 win that was a slight upset against the 8th seed in the South. We rank them 3rd for the moment - the problem is one of the two teams that looked even better is Kansas from the same year - which won the actual game between the two in overtime to claim the 2008 title - so this 1 vs. 9 is scary.

We left Indiana 1976 at No. 2, leapfrogging Kansas over them but dropping UCLA behind them. However, they face a unique challenge as well next round. Even though we only moved Purdue 2018 up to No. 15 after their narrow win against Cincinnati 2002, they hit so many 3-pointers that they could pull a shocker over Indiana if they are hot - or the dice are lucky. Here is our updated Top 25 with all teams still alive listed as other. We list the conference in which they played, where we first seeded them and in what tournament, and finally their second round result followed by updated brackets at the bottom.


Quick Start Rules and Sample Dice Rolls to Play VABG

The first section of these game instructions let's you start playing a game immediately by seeing each dice scenario play out.  The full advanced rules with all the player cards etc. is still here.
Once you have read the instructions, everything you need to play the game is on the score sheet and player cards. Click here and here to see our results of an all-time March Madness, or on this Facebook video walking through the setup and start of a game if you are a visual learner.  We line up these Kansas and Kentucky line-ups for the sample game we will reference below.







Rebounding Chart referenced above is on the score sheets below. To determine which player has first chance at the rebound roll the 20-sided die and 1-3 = Offensive Center (bottom card), 4-5 = Offensive Power Forward, 6-7 = Offensive  Small Forward, 8 = Offensive Shooting Guard and 9 = Offensive Point Guard. On any of these 20-sided die rolls of 1-9 also roll one 6-sided die and if it falls in the "Off Rebound Range then the player gets it, and if not the defender opposite him gets it.

On a roll of 10 or 20 the 6-sided die does not matter - the highest rebound range on the entire court (offensive range for the team that shot and defensive range for the other team) gets the rebound and a tie goes to the offensive player).

If the 20-sided die is 11-13 = Defensive Center (bottom card), 14-15 = Defensive Power Forward, 16-17 = Defensive Small Forward, 18 = Defensive Shooting Guard and 19 = Defensive Point Guard.
A roll of 20 is the same as a roll of 10, highest on the court.

You can use the basic quick start above to play games with any playing cards from the teams below. Continue to read if you would like to use more advanced rules.

The first section of these game instructions let's you start playing a game immediately by seeing each dice scenario play out.  The full advanced rules with all the player cards etc. is still here.

Monday, January 13, 2020

Comparing our Seeding and Results to Date to Another Ranking of the 25 Greatest College Hoops Teams of All-Time

This post is a nice and well thought out ranking of the 25 greatest college basketball teams. I always like to see the opinions of others who have studied the history of college basketball and compare them to how I ranked and seeded by teams for the Value Add Basketball tournament of all-time greats.

I chose the same top two – UCLA 1972 and then Indiana 1976 – as this piece did. I make notes by each of his top 25 picks for if I had them higher, lower, or about the same. I also note how they have done in the all-time tournament so far – though obviously losing one dice game does not mean a team was not that good any more than let’s say UNLV losing to Duke in the Final 4 means you should throw out their dominance in the rest of the 34 straight wins before that game.


1.       UCLA (30-0), 1971-72, Notes:  Agree, my No. 1 overall seed. Close call 67-59 in second round against Oregon 2017 though.
2.       Indiana Hoosiers (32-0), 1975-76, Notes:  Agree again, my No 2 overall 1-seed. Looked even better in 2nd round with 72-49 win over Indiana 2002.
3.       San Francisco (29-0), 1955-56, Notes:  I had them lower as a 7-seed, but did not expect them to be upset by Arizona 2015 in the 2nd round.
4.       Texas Western (UTEP) (28-1), 1965-66, Notes:  For their historic win I have no qualms with the rating, though based purely on ability I had them a 6-seed, and they did hold that up with a thrilling one point win over my Marquette 1977.
5.       UCLA (30-0), 1972-73, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
6.       UCLA (29-1), 1967-68, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
7.       North Carolina State (30-1), 1973-74, Notes:  Agree, had them as a 2-seed though they dodged a bullet with one point win against Seton Hall 1989 in 2nd round.
8.       UCLA (30-0), 1966-67, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
9.       North Carolina (32-2), 1981-82, Notes:  Had them slightly higher as a 2-seed, but they barely escaped on Michael Jordan's drive and foul shots to beat LSU 2009 in 2nd round.
10.   North Carolina (32-0), 1956-57, Notes:  Agree, with only one school team per century I put Jordan and gang higher and chose them just over the great undefeated 1957 team.
11.   Duke (34-2), 1991-92, Notes:  The star power justifies this rating, but I had them lower as a 10-seed, though they next face the 2005 national champions from hated UNC 2005 for a chance to play the great NC State 1974.
12.   Kentucky (34-2), 1995-96, Notes:  Agree, picked them as the best Kentucky team of the Century and had them even higher as the last 1-seed, but in the game they were shocked by 16-seed Wake Forest to be the only 1 or 2 seed to lose in the 2nd round.
13.   UCLA (30-0), 1963-64, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
14.   Cincinnati (29-2), 1961-62, Notes:  Agree completely, had them as a 4-seed, though they barely survived a 2nd round test out west against Gonzaga 2017.
15.   San Francisco (28-1), 1954-55, Notes:  Would have had them a bit lower since I picked the following year's team as the 7-seed (see above).
16.   Kentucky (38-2), 2011-12, Notes:  Had them a bit lower as a 7-seed, but they ran Dominique Wilkins Georgia team off the court in the third round so maybe they are better, and while this stories rankings are good, having this team be the only team from the 21st century of the 25 does show a bias for the old days.
17.   UCLA (29-1), 1968-69, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
18.   UCLA (29-1), 1970-71, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
19.   Ohio State (25-3), 1959-60, Notes:  Agree, have them as a 5-seed, though their 2nd round test against Magic and Michigan State has yet to be played.
20.   Georgetown (34-3), 1983-84, Notes:  Had them a bit lower as a 11-seed, but the fact that they handled a very good Maryland 2002 team as an upset may back up the articles ranking.
21.   Arkansas (31-3), 1993-94, Notes:  Agreed, had them as a 6-seed, though they were upset by 1 point by the Auburn 2019, and since the author only included one 21st century team in his top 25 it may be that Auburn was just underrated by me.
22.   UCLA (28-2), 1969-70, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
23.   Kentucky (30-2), 1977-78, Notes:  Agree, but as noted above gave each school only 1 team per century so they are not in my tournament.
24.   UNLV (34-1), 1990-91, Notes:  Even though they didn't win the title due to the stunning upset against Duke, Duke can do that to you and I still have them higher as a 2-seed for going 34-0 in dominant fashion until then. They beat UCLA 2006 to advance to the 2nd round.
25.   Loyola-Chicago (29-2), 1962-63, Notes:  Had them even slightly higher as a 5-seed, though they haven't played the 2nd round game against Missouri 1982, which was as high as No. 1 for part of that season.

Friday, January 10, 2020

All-Time Great Hoops Tourney: Big Ten Matches ACC's 6 of Final 32 Teams

Scroll down for accounts of the 32 simulated games between the greatest teams of all time in the Value Add Basketball Game from the most recent game down to the first played. Click for all 1st round results or for the Game with Player Cards).

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#11 Ohio State (2007) 70, #6 Michigan (1989) 60

Glen Rice (27 points, 9 rebounds) dominated to lead Michigan to a 44-39 lead with 15:45 (26 possessions) left in the Final of 32 2nd round games.

However Ohio State's inside-outside super combo then took over. Greg Oden (8 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks) blocked shots on consecutive trips shortly after coming in the game for the final 28 possessions. With 7:54 (13 possessions) to go, Mike Conley strung together four straight possessions by drawing the 4th and 5th fouls to take Sean Higgins out of the game while scoring on both fouls, and started the other two possessions with steals to start fastbreaks the left the Buckeyes in control 59-50 en route to the 70-60 win. OSU advances to play Draymond Green's 2009 Michigan State team as two of the top 32 greatest teams of all time left.

#7 Wisconsin (2015) 71, #10 Illinois (2005) 60

Wisconsin's defense that shut down a team some thought was the best in history - Kentucky 2015 - also out the clamps on another great Big Ten National runner up. The great defense led to many missed shots and near double-doubles from the two 7 footers, as Frank Kamisky was one rebound short at 16 points and 9 rebounds while Sam Dekker had 15 points and 16 rebounds.

The backcourt of Deron Williams and Luther Head kept the Illini close most of the way. The Badgers next face Magic Johnson and the 1979 Michigan State team in the third round of the Midwest.



#3 Virginia (2019) 68, #14 Georgia Tech (2004) 64

UVa's defense was as dominant as expected to lead 61-47 with 6:41 to play, and the Jarrett Jack set a game record for steals with 8 by snagging 7 in those final minutes and turning them into fast breaks to pull Georgia Tech to within 65-62 with 1:25 to play.

De'Andre Hunter then hit a 3-pointer to put the game away and send UVa on to play Patrick Ewing who made 3 national title games and his 1984 team that win the title.



#14 Michigan St. (2009) 79, #3 Ohio St. (1960) 78

Perhaps two of the toughest backups to ever face off as a freshman Draymond Green for Michigan State battled the sophomore General Bobby Knight. Knight scored 7 off the bench but the Buckeyes were stunned for one reason - they couldn't seem to get the ball to Jerry Lucas (despite 8-sided rolls of 5, 6 or 8 all going to him. 

Lucas finally scored 10 straight Ohio State points to finish with 22 points and 10 rebounds but John Havlicek was held to 7 and Michigan State pulled off the upset to advance to face the Michigan 1989 vs. Ohio State 2007 winner.


#4 Villanova (2018) 77, #20 West Virginia (2010) 70

West Virginia started as they did in the upset of Dwyane Wade's Marquette, dominating the offensive glass to exploit their opponent's weakness. At halftime, Villanova was dying with missed threes and trailed 32-25. 

However, after trailing 33-31 Villanova scored on 13 straight possessions including at one point hitting 3-pointers on three straight trips to make it 58-51. Jalen Brunson's 26 points and Omari Spellman stepping up for 23 rebounds as the one player who could fight off the great offensive rebounding of Kevin Jones, Devin Ebanks and Wellington Smith.



#9 Arizona (1997) 71, #8 Syracuse (2003) 68

Gerry McNamara helped Syracuse to a 37-33 lead, and Carmelo Anthony 3-pointers kept them ahead for most of the game.

However barrel-chested guard kept pushing Arizona back, fouling out one player trying to guard him and hitting his first 13 foul shots to make it 71-68 Arizona. He missed only his last free throw with 37 seconds left (last possession) but when Syracuse missed a potential game-tying 3-pointer it was Bibby who grabbed the rebound to end the game.

The win for Arizona kept the Big East at 5 of 36 3rd round games - one behind the Big Ten and ACC with 6. There are still 5 second round games left but each one features two teams from the same conference - so we have already counted the one more Big East team (Villanova 2018 v West Virginia 2010), one ACC (Virginia 2019 v Georgia Tech) and three Big Ten (Wisconsin 2015 v Illinois 2005, Ohio State 1960 v Michigan State 2009, Michigan 1989 v Ohio St 2007).


#5 UConn (2004) 72, #21 K-State (2008) 65

With 13:20 to play (22 possessions left) UConn held a commanding 56-43 lead but K-State's Michael Beasley a(16  a 4th points,drew 9 rebounds) foul on the one UConn player who could guard him - Emeka Okafor (12 points, 11 rebounds).

K-State cut it all the way to 64-61 with 3:07 (5 possessions) left, but Ben Gordon hit a 3-pointer to make it 67-61 and UConn prevented a second straight upset by K-State and will now get another Big 12 (or Big 8 at the time) upset winner in 13-seed Oklahoma with Waymon Tisdale.

If Carmelo Anthony and Syracuse 2003 defeat 1997 Arizona then the 2nd round will end with the Big East joining the ACC and Big Ten each with 6 of the final 32 teams to make the third round. Even if Arizona wins, those three conferences would combine for more than half (17 of 32) teams to make Round 3.


#13 Oklahoma (1985) 87, #4 Purdue (1969) 86 OT

OMG. With 2 of the greatest offensive players ever going up against two of the worst defensive teams in the game we knew this could get out-of-hand, but this was ridiculous.

Even using no 3-pointers (when both teams are from 1986 or earlier we play all shots are 2-pointers like they were when the teams played, Rick Mount scored his exact average 33 points but Wayman Tisdale out did even that with 35 points.

At the end of regulation Tisdale scored to give Oklahoma a 77-75 lead, and Purdue missed, but Herman Gilliam grabbed one rebound and missed and then Mount grabbed a second rebound and scored at the buzzer to force overtime. 

Mount's 6th steal of the game with the score 87-84 and Purdue scored to make it a one point game, then stopped Oklahoma to have a chance for a game winning shot. Mount put up what would have been the game-winner but Anthony Bowie blocked the shot that was heading in and Tisdale grabbed his game-high 13th rebound to seal the 87-86 win.

The Purdue loss did not eliminate the school from the tournament as the 2018 Purdue game won the previous game, letting the Big Ten finished tied with the ACC for the most teams in the final 32 with 6 teams each.


#8 Purdue (2018) 73, #9 Cincinnati (2002) 71

Purdue's incredible 3-point shooting cards continued to yield results as they nailed 7 three-pointers (keep in mind we only play out 44 possessions per game) and held Cincinnati's star Logan (rated at www.valueaddbasketball.com as the best player of 2002) in check.

This game was important for two reasons; 1) Purdue's 3-point shooting can be so torrid that with a few good dice rolls they could pose a true threat to Indiana 1976 in the Midwest 1- vs. 8-seed game. Second, it guarantees that the Big Ten will at least match the ACC with 6 of the final 32 teams in the tournament, and will actually top them with 7 if another Purdue team - 1969 - beats Oklahoma 1985. The Big East is the only other conference that could get to 6 of the final 32 teams if UConn 2004 beats K-State 2008 and Syracuse 2003 beats Arizona 1997. If K-State beats UConn, then the Big 12 would catch the Big East for third best, since K-State would be their 4th team and a win by Oklahoma 1985 over Purdue could then give them five. The following is the actual breakdown by conference after Purdue's win:
The conference leaders in teams making the 3rd round of the tournament:
1. Big Ten 5 to 7 teams (Purdue 2018 v. Cincy 2002, Purdue 1969 v. Oklahoma 1985)
2. ACC 6 teams
3. Big East 4 to 6 teams (K-State 2008 vs. UConn 2004Syracuse 2003 vs. Arizona 1997)
4. Big 12 3 to 5 teams (K-State 2008 vs. UConn 2004, Purdue 1969 v. Oklahoma 1985)
5. SEC 3 teams
6. Pac-12 2 to 3 teams (Syracuse 2003 vs. Arizona 1997)
7. Independents 2 teams
8. Big West 1 (higher seed UNLV)
9. CUSA 1 team
10. Missouri Valley

#7 UNC (2005) 68, #10 Duke (1992) 66

The 2005 National Champs from UNC really seemed to have the more overpowering team than the star studded Duke 1992 squad of Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill and "I hate" Christian Laettner. UNC was the much better defensive squad than the "outscore you" Duke team of game-winning shot fame - and the Tar Heels dominated the boards 37-26, steals 9-5 and blocked shots 5-3 to go along with their much better on-ball defense.

However, even though the game seemed to be mainly long stretches of UNC dominating, one of Duke's stars would take over for little stretches. Hurley closed the first half with a steal, and fast break 3-pointer right before the half to make it 31-26 Duke. The UNC starters came in and took over until Christian Laettner fought for traditional 3-pointers (shot plus foul shot) and willed Duke back in the game. Then UNC pulled away again 61-54 with just over 5 minutes left, only to have Grant Hill steal the ball on consecutive trips, then UNC turn it over again on the third trip, and finally Laettner hit what could have been the game winnerto make it 66-65.

However, Raymond Felton, who in real life went onto play 15 NBA seasons after helping deliver the 2005 title to UNC, buried a 3-pointer ahead of the buzzer to deliver the Tar Heels to the next round over their hated rival.

See the stats on the bottom score sheet below and notes on the insane finish written on the bottom of that sheet, then the top sheet in the photo covers the next to last game. After these two, the favored teams are 15-8 in the second round with 9 more games to play.


#12 Missouri (1982) 66, #5 Loyola (1963)

Against Loyola's ultimate outside steals player Jerry Harkness (16 points, 6 steals) and inside player in Les Hunter (14 points, 8 rebounds), Missouri won the only way they could. Missouri drew fouls like noone else and all 5 starters shot between 70% and 85% once they got to the line. In this game they went 23 of 28 just in the 46 possessions we played out, including 85% free throw shooter Jon Sundvold hitting the two clinchers on rolls on the 20-sided die of 16 and 17 (a 1-17 roll is good for an 85% free throw shooter).

#9 Memphis (2008) 82, #8 Louisville 52

Memphis set up a rematch of the overtime 2008 National Championship against Kansas with the most lopsided tournament of the All-Time great tournament - 82-52 against the 1980 Metro Champs Louisville.

Derrick Rose led the dominance with 14 points and 4 steals, while Chris Douglas-Roberts led in scoring with 17 and Robert Dozier posted a double-double with 11 rebounds and points. Perhaps more important, Rose held Louisville star Darrell Griffith to 13 points.

Memphis won the turnover battle of two in-your-face defenses 16-8, and Louisville's cold shooting only added to Memphis better rebounding, resulting in a 41-21 edge on the boards. The South Region 3rd round is now set with:

#1 Kansas 2008 vs #9 seed Memphis 2008
#4 Houston 1968 vs #5 Kansas 1957
#2 UNC 1982 vs #7 Kentucky 2012
#3 Florida 2006 vs #11 Auburn 2019

Those middle two games feature Elvin Hayes vs. Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan vs. Anthony Davis.



#4 Houston (1968) 74, #13 Texas Tech (2019) 67

Jarrett Culver traded baskets with Elvin Hayes much of the game and Tariq Owens held Hayes 9 points below his average and hit a 3-pointer to tied the game 64-64 to give Texas Tech a chance for the big upset with 4:22 (7 possessions) to play.

Unfortunately for Owens, Hayes came right back down the court for a score and rebound for an old fashioned 3-point play en route to 28 points and 13 rebounds to start a 10-0 run that sealwd the win.

Don Chaney played lock down defense with three steals and four blocks, and Ken Spain added 22 and 8 to give Houston 36 to 22 dominance on the boards.

Owens performance is notable since in the game of the Century and first regular season national televised game, the greatest college player of all timel  Lou Alcindor (later Kareem Abdul-jabbar) was torched by Hayes for 39 points and 15 rebounds for UCLA'S first loss in almost 3 years (see highlights).





#3 Florida (2006) 86, #19 Auburn (1984) 74 - South Region 

The repeat national champion and 3-seed Florida 2006 team looked a potential all-time champ as all five players blitzed Charles Barkley's 1984 Auburn.

No matter which of the great 5 Gators had the ball they were unstoppable as the led 82-61 and and Barkley had fouled out with 4:22 to play. Noah, Horford, Green, Humphrey and Brewer will next get the other team in the 2019 Auburn squad that won a thriller over the 40 minutes of hell Arkansas team.



After Bill Russell's tangle with a great Arizona team (scroll down), I decided on a hometown doubleheader the actual Auburn team beat Georgia to go to 15-0 this season. In the game Charles Barkley's Auburn team already upset Jerry West and West Virginia in OT and now faced the two-time NCAA champions from Florida who I watched win the SEC title in 1996. Then last year's Auburn team faced one of the great presses of all time in the Arkansas team that President Bill Clinton watched win the title for his home state. Keep in mind Auburn last year cruised to the Final 4 before losing Okeke, which www.valueaddbasketball.com calculates was worth almost 8 points a game, and more than 5 a game with the string subs Auburn had, so they likely would have beaten the UVa in the game that came down to an apparent double dribble call in the closing seconds.


#11 Auburn (2019) 79, #6 Arkansas (1994) 78 - South Region

Likely the greatest foul drawing team in the game Arkansas drew by far the most fouls ever in my game with 31 to foul out Auburn's great back court of Jared Harper and Bryce Brown and win the turnover battle 18 to 9.

However once Chuma Okeke drew a 5th foul on Arkansas' greatest player Corliss Williamson and Danjel Purifoy and Austin Wiley came in for the final 12 possessions with Auburn trailing 59-65 the Tigers took over to lead 79-75 with less than a minute left.

However Clint McDaniel stole the ball and after a fast break and offensive rebound 3-point shooter Scotty Thurman nailed a 3-pointrt to make it 79-78. Austin Wiley turned it over to give Arkansas a final possession to win but this time Thurman's 2-pointer missed and Purifoy grabbed the rebound to seal the victory. Auburn 2019 awaits the winner of 2006 Florida and the other Auburn team - Charles Barkley's 1984 squad.

  

  • #10 Arizona (2015) 74, #7 San Francisco (1956) 67 - West Region

The biggest slugfest of the tournament yet included 46 fouls with Bill Russell's wingman KC Jones the first to foul out, followed by Arizona's Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and Kaleb Tarczewski. The game also was a reminder that the myth that players in the old days were much better shooters from the line or on field goals is just wrong.

Arizona won this game at the line and on the boards except when Bill Russell was able to grab on of his 10 rebounds to go along with 21 points. Russell drew 8 fouls but I did not realize he was only a 50% free throw shooter.

Overall the Wildcats out rebounded the Dons 39-27 by dominating at the shoot guard (Stanley Johnson 16 points, 6 rebounds) and small forward (Hollis-Jefferson 17 points 11 rebounds).

With 5:29 (8 possessions each) to play, Russell did draw the 5th foul on Tarczewski on a score and hit the free throw to cut it to 62-59, but with their only other real threat Jones already fouled out the California Basketball Association champions could get no closer.

Arizona advances to play the 1991 Running Rebels of UNLV - the 2-seed in the West as we believe the greatest team to fail to win the title along with a more recent Kentucky team.

Before showing the scoresheet, we tried a different layout for the cards for this game, with the two guards for each team (pg-1 and sg-2) on the outside for each team and then the Frontline (sf-3, pf-4, c-5) on the inside next to the player they match up against.




Summary of 1st 16 Games of 2nd Round


The results of the first 16 of 32 2nd round games between all-time great teams appear below. Click here for descriptions of all of those games.

Through the first 16 of 32 games in the second round, this is the alphabetical list of winners, and the description of each game appears below in reverse chronological order. The favored teams are 12-4, however all of the #1 and #2 seeds played and went 7-1, so the favorites in other games are 5-3. Upset winners appear in bold.

Seed2nd Round WinnersScore (Margin)RegionOpponent
#4Cincinnati 196075 - 74 (1)WestGonzaga 2017
#9 Duke 201064 - 60 (4)EastUConn 1999
#11Georgetown 198479 - 73 (6)EastMaryland 2002
#1Indiana 197672 - 49 (23)MidwestIndiana 2002
#1Kansas 200887 - 62 (25)SouthTennessee 1977
#5Kansas 195778 - 68 (10)SouthOklahoma St 2004
#7Kentucky 201276 - 58 (18)SouthGeorgia 1982
#3Louisville 201375 - 61 (14)WestSan Diego St 2011
#2Michigan State 197980 - 60 (20)MidwestNotre Dame 1970
#2NC State 197481 - 80 (1)EastSeton Hall 1989
#12Syracuse 198772 - 61 (11)EastVirginia 1981
#6Texas So. (UTEP) 196654 - 53 (1)WestMarquette 1977
#1UCLA 197267 - 59 (8)WestOregon 2017
#2N. Carolina (UNC) 198272 - 70 (2)SouthLSU 2006
#2UNLV 199183 - 80 (3)WestUCLA 2006
#16Wake Forest 199667 - 64 (3)EastKentucky 1996

West Region (winner will play East Region winner below)


East Region


Midwest Region (Winner Plays South Region Champion Below)


South Region


The 1st Round Bracket and results appear in this blog.




Sunday, December 29, 2019

All-Time Great College Basketball Tournament - Scoresheets and Notes on 32 Second Round Games as they Happen

Scroll down for accounts of the 32 simulated games between the greatest teams of all time in the Value Add Basketball Game from the most recent game down to the First played. Click for all 1st round results or for the Game with Player Cards).

Through the first 16 of 32 games in the second round, this is the alphabetical list of winners, and the description of each game appears below in reverse chronological order. The favored teams are 12-4, however all of the #1 and #2 seeds played and went 7-1, so the favorites in other games are 5-3.


Seed2nd Round WinnersScore (Margin)RegionOpponent
#4Cincinnati 196075 - 74 (1)WestGonzaga 2017
#9 (upset)Duke 201064 - 60 (4)EastUConn 1999
#11 (upset)Georgetown 198479 - 73 (6)EastMaryland 2002
#1Indiana 197672 - 49 (23)MidwestIndiana 2002
#1Kansas 200887 - 62 (25)SouthTennessee 1977
#5Kansas 195778 - 68 (10)SouthOklahoma St 2004
#7Kentucky 201276 - 58 (18)SouthGeorgia 1982
#3Louisville 201375 - 61 (14)WestSan Diego St 2011
#2Michigan State 197980 - 60 (20)MidwestNotre Dame 1970
#2NC State 197481 - 80 (1)EastSeton Hall 1989
#12 (upset)Syracuse 198772 - 61 (11)EastVirginia 1981
#6Texas So. (UTEP) 196654 - 53 (1)WestMarquette 1977
#1UCLA 197267 - 59 (8)WestOregon 2017
#2N. Carolina (UNC) 198272 - 70 (2)SouthLSU 2006
#2UNLV 199183 - 80 (3)WestUCLA 2006
#16 (upset)Wake Forest 199667 - 64 (3)EastKentucky 1996

#3 Louisville (2013) 75, #19 San Diego St. (2011) 61

The great Kawhi Leonard and an athletic San Diego State already pulled one upset, but even they lost the turnover battle 20-13 to the best defense and national champion of 2013 - Louisville.

At 35-5, I know Louisville 2013 is not thought of with the likes of Indiana 1976 or UCLA 1972, but calculating their player cards they are a 3-seed in the tournament and capable of beating those or any other teams. Consider that Dieng missed a good bit of the early season, but at full strength the last 20 games of the season Louisville lost one game - a 5-overtime loss at Notre Dame, and won the other 19 including 14 by double digits through the Big East conference play, tournament and NCAA.

The have the most smothering, high pressure defense in the game with Peyton Siva and Russ Smith stealing the ball from everyone on the court – but so did the front line. Then you add incredible 3-point shooting by Luke Hancock and the athletic 6-foot-11 Gorgui Dieng joining the two guards to give Louisville 3 of the top 30 players in the game at www.valueaddbasketball.com and Chane Behanan and Wayne Blackshear pounding the offensive glass and this is a perfectly constructed team.

The already beat one of the UConn national champs in my league play before I started the tournament, and no matter what another team does well, they have the chance to steal the ball and not let the opponent get shots. Smith was the top player in the country at www.kenpom.com, which not only ranked them as the best defense in the country, but the 7th best offense for incredible balance. There were 2nd in both steals and forcing turnovers, and with all respect to the VCU team that was first - Louisville did it against the Big East in its prime.

This one was never in doubt and Smith and Siva dominated, though the Aztecs did a great job of rallying to not get run out of the gym after Louisville jumped to the early double digit lead.


#6 Texas Southern (UTEP 1966) 54, #11 Marquette (1977) 53

The win and score sheet from the win by the team that made history in 1966 is posted on this blog on Cracked Sidewalks. This was the greatest defensive battle of the tournament - both teams forced missed shots with no chance one-sixth of all shots - rolls of 51-56 on the two 6-sided dice.

#11 Georgetown (1984) 79, #6 Maryland (2002) 73

The favored team won the first 10 games of the second round of the all-time Great Basketball tournament, but the next four were minor upsets to make the favorites 10-4.


The difference was the card that was accidentally omitted from our first batch of cards because the system read two "Patrick Ewing" cards from "Georgetown" and deleted the Hall of Fame father and kept his son from the 2007 team. Ewing's 20 to 30 block range means he not only blocks a shot on all block rolls (21-26) when the opposing center has the ball, but also on 21-25 when the block ranges are all cut in half due to a 6,7 or 8 roll on the 8-sided die as well as a 32 roll on the 6-sided dice when any opposing player on the court is shooting the ball. Ewing's 1 to 8 offensive and defensive rebounding make him the best rebounder on the court in almost every match-up - except a few like Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Walton, and this game he was even better than his normal standard.

For the record, Wednesday January 9, 2020 the greater player beat what looked like an even greater team on paper, when Ewing grabbed offensive rebounds on four of Georgetown's last seven actual possessions (I usually do not have the team that is ahead shoot on their last possession) and turned those rebounds into seven points down the stretch to cap the greatest simulated game by a player we've played yet with 27 points, 22 rebounds and 4 blocked shots for a 79-73 win.

Maryland, who won all six actual 2002 tournament games by at least eight points, looked like their dominant future NBA backcourt of Juan Dixon and Steve Blake jumped out to a 50-43 lead with 13:57 to play. Blake was more of the defensive specialist who went onto steal the ball 587 times in the NBA in a long career. Dixon was the player who averaged more than 20 points per game in that season and torched Georgetown for 25 points as Michael Jackson fouled out trying to guard him though Freddie Brown finished the game as an able backup from that year. (Note the Georgetown cards are now corrected in the google drive if you need to reprint, just click here.)



The Terps' dunk range of 51-65 is one of the best few offensive scoring ranges of any of the 96 great teams, though Georgetown's defense of -5 contained it somewhat. Georgetown advances to play the winner of the game between the reigning champions from 2019 in Virginia and the Georgia Tech team of 2004 that already defeated Chris Paul's Wake Forest team.

#9 Duke (2010) 64, #8 UConn (1999) 60

Duke won the toss up game between the 8 and 9 seed to assure the ACC of having a majority of the 8 final teams in the East Regional. Maryland 2002 will be a slightly favorite against Georgetown 2007 to determine if the ACC has a 6-2 edge or 5-3 edge over the Big East of teams in Round 3.

People to not always understand why www.valueaddbasketball.com ranks Jon Scheyer as the most valuable player of the century, nudging out Anthony Davis, and www.kenpom.com ranks the 2010 Duke team as the greatest Duke champion of the Century but it is clear when you play the game. 

Scheyer and the other two guards on the team, Nolan Smith and Kyle Singler almost never turn the ball over (only one roll of 36 - when the two dice total 41 for Scheyer or Smith and only one more for Singler with a 41-42. But they are all dominant steals guys with Scheyer an elite 11-16 on steals and the others almost as elite at 11-15 and even the front line players being elite. This huge advantage in turnover because all three had so much endurance that none of the three rest a single possession on any of the 44 possessions in a Value Add Basketball game.

Add to that Scheyer and Singler being elite 3-point shooters (1 to 3 of 20-sided die a made 3 every time the get the ball and are not stopped by a defender) and it's simply hard for opposing teams to make up for those three dominating turnover exchanges and hitting 3-pointers for an entire game with no chance to rest. Other Duke teams had a lot more NBA talent - but this was the best Duke team of the 21st century.

Richard Hamilton and a typically very tough defensive  1999 UConn team (a -9 as one of the best defensive teams in history) which actually nudged the Duke 1999 team for the title made it a grind it out win.

Duke is also the luckiest team in the tournament because they now face the 16-seed 1996 Wake Forest which was the only 16 or 15 seed to beat a 1 or 2 seed in 8 games when they toppled 1996 Kentucky. While Tim Duncan can beat anyone on a given day, Duke has a much easier path then any of the other 8-9 seed winners.



#12 Syracuse (1987) 72, #5 Virginia (1981) 61

Virginia seemed on the verge of a championship when the athletic 7-foot-4 Ralph Sampson became a repeat national player of the year and deep shooters Jeff Lamp and Lee Raker seemed to create the ultimate inside-outside combo.

However, as my simulation game played out with Syracuse's three future NBA players dominated against a Virginia defense that outside of Sampson was weak on defensive steals, blocked shots and rebounds, I could see why the Orangemen came one last second shot from winning the 1987 title while UVa was handled easily in the semifinal in 1981. Ironically Indiana won the titles both years and both these teams played UNC in the semifinals - with Syracuse beating a No. 2 ranked UNC and Virginia losing by double digits. Syracuse lost with the old rule that you could get 1-and-1 fouls all the way to the end of the game - and Bobby Knight room advantage with Syracuse missing the front end of a 1-and-1 and Indiana hitting a buzzer beater to win the actual title game in 1987.

Lamp and Raker both hit 3-pointers to get the game to single digits a few times, but the unathletic Wahoo's managed only 1 steal and 1 block during the 45 Syracuse possessions we played out.

Seeing the physical mismatch outside of Sampson I looked up the NBA careers and the three Syracuse starters who went on to the NBA - Sherman Douglas, Derrick Coleman and Rony Seikaly - actually outscored Sampson, Lamp and Raker 31,300 points to 9,069 in their NBA careers.

In the all-time great tournament our East Region is already down to only ACC and Big East teams, and the ACC already locked up 4 of the 8 round 3 games and Syracuse's win guaranteed at least 2 spots. The Big East would need wins from Georgetown 1984 against Maryland 2002 and UConn 1999 would need to beat Duke 2011 to match the ACC with 4 of the Final 8 teams in the East Region - otherwise the ACC will have a 6-2 or 5-3 edge.



For the second round we will take a photo of the score sheet, which is available in the game and includes the running score as well as tally of points, rebounds, steals, blocked shots and fouls for each player and the team as a whole. The score sheets include the Dunk Range at the top - any numbers between 51-66 on the 6-sided dice role that are either always a score or always a miss and defensive rebound for each of the two teams (e.g. UCLA scored on 51-56 while Oregon did not score on 51-53 when those two played in the first game at the bottom.

If you use www.kenpom.com you will know the format of listing the predicted score for each game and the actual score - and using his approach for the eight games featuring the 1-seeds and 2-seeds we expected almost 2 upsets (1.8) and actually just had one - with Wake Forest nudging Kentucky - though three other favorites barely hung on for these second round wins. Here were the original predictions based on the cards.

Games Featuring #1 or #2 SeedPrediction
Indiana (1976) 72, Indiana (2002) 49Indiana (1976) 67 - 55 (85%)
Kansas (2008) 87, Tennessee (1977) 62Kansas (2008) 72 - 63 (79%)
WAKE FOREST (1996) 67, KENTUCKY (1996) 64Kentucky (1996) 69 - 62 (73%)
UCLA (1972) 67, Oregon (2017) 59UCLA (1972) 80 - 66 (91%)
Michigan St. (1979) 80, Notre Dame (1970) 60Michigan St. (1979) 67 - 60 (73%)
North Carolina St. (1974) 81, Seton Hall (1989) 80North Carolina St. (1974) 76 - 69 (73%)
UNC (1982) 72, LSU (2006) 70UNC (1982) 67 - 59 (0.76%)
UNLV (1991) 83, UCLA (2006) 80UNLV (1991) 70 - 63 (0.73%)
Likely Upsets 1.8, Actual Upset 1

As we add a game, we add it to the top so the most recent game is the first you read until we complete all 32 games.

#16 Wake Forest (1996) 67, #1 Kentucky (1996) 64


In 100 dice simulated rematches between the 1996 Kentucky and Wake Forest teams, Kentucky wins 73% of the time and by an average score of 69-62.

However, with the #15 and #16 seeds odds in the all-time tournament actually being around ofd the top 5 teams the year they played, the margin of the 8 matches was much tighter then in a regular March madness when 16 seeds might be the 150th or 200th best team.  Each of the 8 #1 and #2 seeds being close to 75% of winning their first game in the all time tournament - the odds were two of the eight would be upset. However,were after they started 7-0 with three close scares, it turned out to be Tim Duncan and Wake Forest which pulled the upset to avenge the actual 1996 tournament game.

The contest was Kentucky's dominant offense and Antoine Walker against Wake Forest dominant defense.

Tony Rutland and Rusty LaRue hit several 3-pointers during the defensive grind, but it was Duncan who rejected Kentucky shots on 3 of the last 7 trips down the court to finish with 15 points, 14 rebounds and 5 blocked shots for the win.



#1 Kansas (2008) 87, Tennessee (1977) 62

Kansas balanced 2008 team went 4-0 playing other Big 12 teams from the 21st century winning by an average score of 75-52 before the all-time tournament starter. They started the tournament just as balanced and dominant, with an 87-62 blowout if Tennessee 1977.

No starter had more than 12 points but when Rush fouled out Collins came back off the bench and scored 16 points despite twice hitting two pointers rather than three pointers because he his endurance was gone. (His 3-point range is 1-3 of 20 and twice he got free for a shot and the 20-sided die was a "3", but you move all die rolls 1 against the shooter so both rolls became a 4.

Mario Chalmers had 4 steals to help disrupt the Vols, though a young Aldrich helped set the tone early on the boards, which the Jayhawks won 36-22.

Bernard King, who led the Vols to a 1st round upset, scored a game-high 20 points.



#1 Indiana (1976) 72, #16 Indiana (2002) 49 - Midwest

Despite the 2002 Indiana squad's double-double from Jeff Newton (10 points and 11 rebounds) and helping to foul out the two big men stars Kent Benson and Scott May, the 1976 Indiana's defense dominated 72-49.

The Hoosiers were the last undefeated team in college basketball history and the first we've played whose starting five steal the ball on all 7 of 36 possible rolls when the opponent has the ball no matter which of the 5 opponents have it (11-16 and 31). The defensive adjustment rating of -9 is one of the best ever, and even against a string offense for the 2002 edition (51-56 dunk range) those two combined to also stop any score on a roll of 51-53, meaning 10 of 36 rolls by the 2002 team had no chance of scoring on that trip.

May scores 19 points and Benson had 11 rebounds before both fouled out - the teams aggressive defense does also foul a lot as those two foul in all 34-36 rolls) and the one front line players who did not foul out - Tom Abernathy had 20 points and 10 rebounds. The great point guard Quinn Buckner was his normal unselfish player with only 2 points. He and fellow back court player Bob Wilkerson both have the max 11-20 steal ranges, which means they not only steal on 11-16, but Wilkerson steals on all rolls of 31, and since he gets that number, Buckner gets To use his four extra numbers to fill the only four 11-16 numbers that are not steals for teammates - the 14-16 when the opposing small forward has the ball since Abernathy's range is 11-13, and the 16 when the opposing center since Benson has an 11-15. May also has a 11-16 so all possible steal numbers are a steak.




#2 UNLV (1991) 83, UCLA (2006) 80

Some questioned me seeding UNLV as the 8th best team in the game, but the fact that Duke stunned this team to deny a title is that much more to Coach Ks credit.

However, after surging out to a 59-41 lead and then Larry Johnson drew a 5th foul on Luck Richard Mbah a Moute it appeared over. However his great backup Ryan Hollis scored 6 points in one stretch of four possessions to cut it to 77-69 with 5:29 (9 possessions) to play even though as a player whose endurance was used up every dice roll was adjusted one against him.

Cedric Bozeman last dunked to cut it to 81-80 with 1:15 (2 possessions left), and when Johnson put up a rare miss it appeared UCLA had a chance for a game-winning shot on their last possession. However Stacey Augmon grabbed the offensive rebound and laid it in to make it 83-80. 

UCLA subbed Michael Roll in for the center due to his incredible 1-6 3-pt made range on the 20-sided die and played for a 3-point shot (every players card gets 1 extra 3-point made in their range for every 2-pt made turned into a miss though they can't more than double the 3-pointer) and Darren Collison (adjusted 1-4 range) tried to get off the game tying shot but turned it over on a 46 with his 41-46 turnover range (the worst range you can have). 

While the No. 2 seeds all won, they were the third to come down to a final possession, as Michael Jordan (UNC) and David Thompson (NC State) both hit free throws at the end of their games to break 80-80 ties. Only Magic Johnson and Michigan State had an easy win. Keep in mind the 15-seeds in these tournaments are mainly Final 4 or top 5 teams in the year they played.




#2 NC State (1974) 81, #18 Seton Hall (1989) 80

In an uncanny coincidence, NC State survived a furious upset bid with their all-time superstar - David Thompson - at the line at the end to win the game in an 80-80 tie. He hit the first free throw for an 81-80 win, after Michael Jordon hit two to enable 1982 UNC to win 82-80.

Thompson had 28 points and 8 rebounds but committed his 4th foul with a 76-73 lead and 1:52 to play. Morris Rivers fouled Morton on a basket and the traditional 3-point play to tie the game 80-80, and then Rivers missed two free throws to leave the game tied 80-80 with each team still having one possession left. Seton Hall committed only their 9th turnover of the game, and Thompson was fouled with seconds left to go to the line for the game-clincher.



#2 Michigan State (1979) 80, Notre Dame (1970) 60


Austin Carr pulled off one big upset in the 1st round, but in the 2nd round Notre Dame 1970s weak defense was no for Magic Johnson.

The 1979 Michigan State squad turned the ball over just 8 times and won 80-60 despite no 3-point line (since both teams played prior to the 3-point line).

Magic scored a game-high 18 points and 6 steals. Notre Dame appeared to have a high rebounding edge, but won the boards only 38-37, and had by far the highest scorer in Carr (38.1 ppg that year) but Michigan State's defense help him to 10 points.


#4 Cincinnati (1960) 75, #13 Gonzaga (2017) 74 -west region


Oscar Robertson, the Big O, capped one of the most complete games in the game yet with his only 3-pointer of the night to win 75-74. Teams prior to the late 1980s did not play with a 3-point line so only one of every five made shots on their cards a 3-pointers - with centers never making a 3-pointer. He finished with 11 rebounds and 4 steals to go along with the 29 points.

Nigel Williams-Goss has just scored the would be game-winner, a 2-pointer with just 37 seconds left, to cap a 31 point, 4 steal night of his own. 

Cincinnati will face the winner of the Loyola 1963 vs. Missouri 1982 game next in the 3rd round of the West Region.



#7 Kentucky (2012) 76, #23 Georgia (1982) 58

Dominique Wilkins (18 pts, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks) gave UGA an early lead and hopes of a second straight upset of a 7-footer after edging the great Bob Kurland and first dynasty in the 1946 Oklahoma A and M team.

However this 7-footer, the greatest college player of the century in Anthony Davis, and his loaded 2012 Kentucky team took control for a 38-25 edge on the boards and 76-58 win.

They now face Michael Jordan and 1982 UNC in a battle of two of the teams with the greatest defenses and most NBA loaded teams in the game in the third round.



#2 UNC (1982) 72, #15 LSU 70


LSU's Glen "Baby" Davis (16 points, 9 rebounds) and Tyrus Thomas (18, 10) dominated the offensive glass to lead upset minded LSU a 36-25 lead. Even after UNC rallied behind Michael Jordan (19 points, 5 steals, 2 blocks) starter 4 fast breaks on steals few could have made (31 roll Jordan steals from any opposing player), LSU regained a 68-67 lead on a steal and 3-pointer by Garrett Temple with a minute to go.

A fast break in the final 9 possessions adds a possession for each team, and after UNC missed to still trail 68-67 left with only one possession left, Jimmy Black stole the ball and hit a 3-pointer to give UNC a 70-68 lead but also add another possession for each so LSU had one more chance. Davis went to the hoop for his 16th point, but at the other end Jordan drove to draw a foul. Jordan had missed two foul shots  with 1:52 to play and the score 67-65 UNC but this time he hit both for the 72-70 win.

They now await the winner of Anthony Davis and Kentucky and Dominique Wilkins and Georgia in the third round.



#5 Kansas (1957) 78, #12 Oklahoma State (2004) 68 - South Region

Oklahoma State dominated Wilt Chamberlain's 1957 Kansas Jayhawks to hold a 54-41 lead with 13 minutes to go. Kansas then set a new mark by scoring on 14 consecutive trips - 2 points each trip - for a 28-8 run that left them ahead 69-62 with 5:29 left to play and they never looked back.



#1 UCLA (1972) 67, #17 Oregon (2017) 59 - West Region

Our initial listing of the 96 great all-time basketball teams in the Value Add Basketball Game tournament showed Bill Walton's 1972 UCLA team was the overall No. 1 seed but with only a 17% chance of winning six straight to take the championship. Based on the player cards, UCLA was given a 91% chance of winning their opening game against the Seattle-Oregon winner with a predicted win of 80-66.

However when Oregon's 2017 team was one of 9 underdogs to pull an upset in the 32 first round games, they may have presented more of a wild card for an upset due to three-point shooters that UCLA did not have to face in 1972 when the 3-point arc was not even in place.

As the notes on the bottom of the scoresheet detail, 3-point plays and even two 4-point plays for Oregon gave the Ducks the lead with only 6 minutes to play, though the Bruins dominated the closing minutes to secure the win, with Bill Walton finishing with 20 points, 13 rebounds and 4 steals.



Bill Walton's card gives several examples of advanced rules for 3-point made ranges before 1987, blocked shots and steals.

First, because almost no players had a 3-point line before 1987, each player card is calculated based on one of their five shots made being behind the line. You can just play the card as-is in basic rules, however, the Advance Rule calls for the player in the center to never make a 3-pointer (his 3-points made and attempted are just changed to 2-pointers) but those 3-point made shot are transferred to teammates.

Adjusting Center's 3-pt made range pre-1987 teams:

Look at the Center's 3-pt made range AND if he gets the ball on just a "5" or if he gets it on two numbers (e.g. 5 & 8) or three numbers (e.g. 5 6&8) like Bill Walton. Then use this chart to determine who gets an extra 3-point made.  In Bill Walton's case he gets the ball on a "5 6 or 8" and his 3-point range made is 1-2, so if you look down the chart there is a "1" in each column meaning that every teammate gets to add one to their 3-pt made range (so if their range was 1-2, we change the 3 from a 2-point made to a 3-point made).

However, if a center only got the ball on an 8-sided die roll of "5" and his 3-pt made range was only 1-1 (the first column) then you would only add a 3-point made if it was after an 8-sided roll of "2" for the shooting guard. The next two rows show scenarios where both a "1" and "2" roll would give and extra 3-pt made after either an 8-sided roll of "1" or "2" - the point guard or shooting guard.


8-sided diemade 3-ptPG1SG2SF3PF46 to 8
51-101000
5 81-111000
51-211000
5 6 81-111100
5 81-211100
51-311100
5 6 81-211111
5 81-311111
5 6 81-311111

Steals

If a player has a steal range of higher than 11-16 after any adjustments, then he can steal the ball on rolls of 16 or sometimes 31 when certain other players are on defense:

  1. Steal 11-17 Also steals on 16 for bottom of 4 other players 
  2. Steal 11-18 Also steals on 16 for bottom TWO of other 4 players 
  3. Steal 11-19 Also steals on 16 for bottom THREE of other 4 players 
  4. Steal 11-20 Steals on a roll of 31 for any player 
  5. Steal 11-21 Steals on all rolls of 31 PLUS 16 for bottom of 4 players 
  6. Steal 11-22 Steals on all rolls of 31 PLUS 16 for bottom 2 of 4 players Blocks


If a player has a block range of higher than 21-26, then he can steal the ball on rolls of 26 or sometimes 32 when certain other players are on defense:

  1. Block 21-27 Also blocks on 26 for top of 4 other players 
  2. Block 21-28 Also blocks on 26 for top TWO of other 4 players 
  3. Block 21-29 Also blocks on 26 for top THREE of other 4 players 
  4. Block 21-30 Also blocks on roll of 32 for any player 
  5. Block 21-31 Blocks on all rolls of 32 PLUS 26 for top of 4 players 
  6. Block 31-32 Blocks on all rolls of 32 PLUS 26 for top TWO of 4