Thursday, November 28, 2019

Alphabetical List of 96 Great Hoops Teams in VABG Game (UCLA 1972 Best Chance to Win at 17%)

Here is the alphabetical list of the 96 all-time great basketball teams included with instructions in the Value Add Basketball Game. In addition to the team, year and conference, we our bracket region in which we placed the team and the projection of the score and percent chance of winning their first game. From there you can click on the EastWest, Midwest and South to see that bracket and results as we play games.

Note that the best 32 teams receive a first found bye, and thus their "1st opponent" is the winner of another game. Click on the Value Add Basketball Game instructions to get the free game and play for yourself. Click here for box scores of games as we add them. At the bottom of this blog click to print out player cards for any of these teams you want to use in games of your own.
SchoolYearConfRegionSeedPredictedAllowedWin%1st opponent/ actual result
Alabama1977SECSouth18676850%LSU
Arizona1997Pac-10West9837479%LSU (won 85-77)
Arizona2015Pac-12West10676267%Iowa (W90-88, 2 OT)
Arkansas1994SEC South6696756%Auburn v George Mason winner
Auburn2019SECSouth11655967%George Mason
Auburn1984SECSouth19757744%West Virginia (W84-76 OT)
Butler2011HorizonEast24617021%Duke
California1959PCCWest21606436%Missouri
Cincinnati1960MVCWest4706567%Gonzaga v DePaul winner
Cincinnati2002CUSAMidwest9655779%Loyola-Chicago
Connecticut2004Big EastMidwest5656164%Georgetown v Kansas St. winner
Creighton2014Big EastMidwest20747640%Oklahoma
Davidson2008SCSouth21626733%Oklahoma St.
DePaul1945IndWest20616440%Gonzaga
Duke2011ACCEast9706179%Butler
Duke1992ACCEast10746773%Navy (W 77-61)
Florida2006SECSouth3787270%West Virginia v Auburn winner
George Mason2006CAASouth22596533%Auburn
Georgetown1984Big EastEast11676267%Villanova
Georgetown2007Big EastMidwest12666360%Kansas St.
Georgia1982SECSouth23667230%Oklahoma St
Georgia Tech2004ACCEast14727056%Wake Forest
Gonzaga2017WCCWest13646160%DePaul
Houston1968IndSouth4686270%Texas Tech v South Carolina winner
Illinois2005Big TenMidwest10655970%Wichita St.
Indiana1976Big TenMidwest1675585%Indiana v Oklahoma winner
Indiana2002Big TenMidwest16636253%Oklahoma
Indiana St.1979MVCWest18656647%UCLA (Lost 69-76)
Iowa2001Big TenWest23626733%Arizona (L88-90 2ot)
Kansas1957Big 7South5666264%Oklahoma St. v Davidson winner
Kansas2008Big 12South1726379%Texas v Tennessee winner
Kansas St.2008Big 12Midwest21636640%Georgetown
Kentucky2012SECSouth7706953%Oklahoma St v Georgia winner
Kentucky1996SEC East1696273%Wake Forest v Pittsburgh winner
La Salle1954IndMidwest19646644%Michigan St.
Louisville1980MetroSouth8696950%Memphis v VCU winner
Louisville2013Big EastWest3686270%Michigan v San Diego St. winner
Loyola1963IndWest5737060%Missouri v California winner
Loyola-Chicago2018MVCMidwest24576521%Cincinnati
LSU2006SECSouth15686750%Alabama
LSU1970SECWest24748321%Arizona (Lost 77-85)
Marquette2003CUSAEast13666360%West Virginia
Marquette1977IndWest11585367%Utah
Maryland2002ACCEast6716860%Georgetown v Villanova winner
Memphis2008CUSASouth9716279%VCU
Michigan1989Big TenMidwest6686560%Ohio St. v Wyoming winner
Michigan2013Big TenWest14646256%San Diego St.
Michigan St.1979Big TenMidwest2676073%St. Joe's v Notre Dame winner
Michigan St.2009Big TenMidwest14666456%La Salle
Missouri1982Big 8West12646064%California
Navy1986CAAEast23677427%Duke (L 61-77)
North Carolina St.1974ACCEast2766973%St. John's v Seton Hall winner
Notre Dame1970IndMidwest18737447%St. Joe's
Ohio St.2007Big TenMidwest11726764%Wyoming (W 73-60)
Ohio State1960Big TenMidwest3757067%Michigan St. v La Salle winner
Oklahoma1985Big 8Midwest13767460%Creighton
Oklahoma2016Big 12Midwest17626347%Indiana
Oklahoma St1946MVCSouth10726670%Georgia
Oklahoma St.2004Big 12South12676267%Davidson
Oregon2017Pac-12West17696950%Seattle
Pittsburgh2009Big EastEast17626247%Wake Forest (L 61-63)
Princeton1965IvyEast21646836%Syracuse L62-79
Purdue2018Big TenMidwest8656453%Cincinnati v Loyola-Chicago winner
Purdue1969Big TenMidwest4837964%Oklahoma v Creighton winner
San Diego St.2011MWCWest19626444%Michigan
San Francisco1956CBAWest7626153%Arizona v Iowa winner
Seattle1958IndWest16696950%Oregon
Seton Hall1989Big EastEast18666747%St. John's
South Carolina2017SECSouth20555840%Texas Tech
St. Joe's2004A10Midwest15747353%Notre Dame
St. John's1985Big EastEast15676653%Seton Hall
Syracuse2003Big EastWest8717150%Arizona v LSU winner
Syracuse1987Big EastEast12686464%Princeton W79-62
Tennessee1977SECSouth17727250%Texas
Texas2003Big 12South16727250%Tennessee
Texas Tech2019Big 12South13585560%South Carolina
UCLA1972Pac-8West1806691%Seattle v Oregon winner
UCLA2006Pac-12West15666553%Indiana St. (won 76=69)
Uconn1999Big EastEast8656356%Duke v Butler winner
UNC2005ACCEast7747160%Duke v Navy winner
UNC1982ACCSouth2675976%LSU v Alabama winner
UNLV1991Big WestWest2706373%UCLA v Indiana St. winner
Utah1998WAC West22535833%Marquette
UTEP (TX W)1966IndWest6585656%Marquette v Utah winner
VCU2011CAASouth24627121%Memphis
Villanova2018Big EastEast4726767%Marquette v West Virginia winner
Villanova1985Big EastEast22626733%Georgetown
Virginia2019ACCEast3625767%Georgia Tech v Wake Forest winner
Virginia1981ACCEast5716764%Syracuse v Princeton winner
Wake Forest1996ACCEast16626253%Pittsburgh (won 63-61)
Wake Forest2005ACCEast19707244%Georgia Tech
West Virginia2011Big EastEast20636640%Marquette
West Virginia1959SouthernSouth14777556%Auburn (L76-84 OT)
Wichita St.2013MVCMidwest23596530%Illinois
Wisconsin2015Big TenMidwest7636253%Illinois v Wichita St. winner
Wyoming1943MSACMidwest22677236%Ohio St. (L 60-73)


Bill Walton's 1972 UCLA tops the No. 1 Seed to set up a East vs. West All-Time Semifinal, perhaps against 2008 Kansas or David Thompson's 1974 North Carolina State. The other semifinal will feature the Midwest vs. South Champions, which could feature the last undefeated team in Bobby Knight's 1976 champions from Indiana or Magic Johnson's Michigan State team against the 2008 champions from Kansas or Michael Jordan's UNC champions.

UCLA's 1972 Value Add Basketball Game (VABG) player cards are the strongest of any team, but mathematically the Bruins chances of winning the tournament we are playing in the game is only 17%. Assuming all other seeds win they would be the favorite in all six games they played - the closest being a match-up with Indiana's 1976 team if the top two seeds win their first five - but the chance of winning all six in a row tallies only 17%.


UCLA 1972Win%Cumulative
Seattle 195891%91%
Syracuse 200382%75%
Cincy 196076%57%
UNLV 199173%41%
Kentucky 199670%29%
Indiana 197660%17%

PDFs of new and improved player cards appear below:

Alabama 1977 to Duke 2010

Florida 2006 to Iowa 2002

Kansas 1957 to LSU 2006

Marquette 1977 to Notre Dame 1970

Ohio State 1960 to Purdue 2018

San Diego State 2011 to Texas Southern (UTEP) 1966

UCLA 1972 to Wyoming 1943



West Region All-Time March Madness: Bird and Pistol Pete Open Play


Here is the master list of all 96 teams and predictions. Click on the EastWest, Midwest and South bracket to follow the results in each, or click on the Value Add Basketball Game instructions to get the free game and play for yourself. Click here for the google sheet with player cards for all 96 teams. Click here for box scores to all tournament games.

PDFs of new and improved player cards appear below:

Alabama 1977 to Duke 2010

Florida 2006 to Iowa 2002

Kansas 1957 to LSU 2006

Marquette 1977 to Notre Dame 1970

Ohio State 1960 to Purdue 2018

San Diego State 2011 to Texas Southern (UTEP) 1966

UCLA 1972 to Wyoming 1943


Table key: dunks = number of uncontested scores out of 36 rolls from 11-36, Stop Dunks = number added (bad) or subtracted (good) from opponents dunk range, Pred Off = average score resulting from team playing cards in 66 possession Value Add Basketball Games against all top 100 teams in history, Pred Def = average points cards would allow in the those games, Net = difference between those two which is used as the teams rating for seeding or knowing who is favored in a given game by how many points (difference between two net scores). E.g. Arizona's 14.2 indicates it would average defeating LSU (5.5) by 8.7 points if they played hundreds of times.  Click here for all box scores from tournament games.

SeedSouth RegionYearConferenceDunksStop DunksPred OffPred DefNet
10Arizona2015Pac-128073.058.814.2
9Arizona1997Pac-1010-176.061.414.6
21California1959PCC3-567.358.29.1
4Cincinnati1960MVC8-278.561.117.4
20DePaul1945Ind0-369.560.29.3
13Gonzaga2017WCC3-370.958.512.4
18Indiana St.1979MVC6174.764.310.4
23Iowa2001Big Ten9-169.961.38.6
3Louisville2013Big East11-273.756.317.4
5Loyola1963Ind11181.164.416.7
24LSU1970SEC81179.574.05.5
11Marquette1977Ind0-965.752.313.4
14Michigan2013Big Ten8-273.161.211.9
12Missouri1982Big 82-572.559.313.2
17Oregon2017Pac-125-469.758.711.0
19San Diego St.2011MWC3-468.058.19.9
7San Francisco1956CBA3-870.355.015.3
16Seattle1958Ind9377.166.111.0
8Syracuse2003Big East11076.961.915.0
15UCLA2006Pac-128-468.557.111.4
1UCLA1972Pac-811-781.356.125.2
2UNLV1991Big West7079.661.018.6
22Utah1998WAC (Mountain)0-568.159.48.7
6UTEP (Texas Western)1966Ind5-672.457.115.3


1997 Arizona 85, 1970 LSU 77

9-seed Arizona 1997 avoided an upset by Pistol Pete Maravich and 24-seed LSU 1970 by a score of 85-77. Jason Terry and Mike Bibby harrassed LSU into 15 turnovers (to only 8 by Arizona) and Bibby's 32 points en route to the 85 points in the 66 possession game against the worst defense in the tournament.

Maravich countered with 28 points including one stretch of four trips down the court in which he was fouled on a 3-point shot and hit all 3 free throws, hit a 2-pointer and then his a 3-pointer to cut the Arizona lead to 49-48. The win advances Arizona to play Carmelo Anthony's 2003 Syracuse team, the 8-seed in the West Region with the winner potentially playing the top seed in the whole tournament - Bill Walton's 1972 UCLA team.


West Region
#24 LSU 1970PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played of the 44 at which position
Pete Maravich28520240 to 1 (1)
Jeff Tribbett9411444-41, 34-1 (2)
Danny Hester14611238 to 1 (3)
Bill Newton10610438 to 1 (4)
Al Sanders6600438 to 1 (5)
Tommy Hess2100144-41 (1), 40-38 (2)
Rich Hickman4100144-39 (3), 27 (2)
Bob Lang2100144-39 (4),36 (2)
John Carr2000144-39 (5), 35 (2)
LSU Totals77305220Turnovers = 15
#9 Arizona 1997PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played of the 44 at which position
Jason Terry17220339-1 (1)
Mike Bibby32230244-40, 38-1 (2)
Miles Simon10420544-39, 35-12 (3)
Michael Dickerson17500244-36, 32-1 (4)
Bennett Davison3611244-33, 24-1 (5)
A.J. Bramlett6501244-40 (1), 39 (2), 38-36, 11-1 (3), 35-33 (4), 32-25 (5)
Arizona Totals85248216Tunorvers = 8

UCLA 76, 1979 Indiana St. 69

Larry Bird dominated a stretch of 13 possessions after Ryan Hollis rejected him twice to give UCLA a 46-30 lead with 13:57 (23 possessions) to play. Bird's subsequent 30-17 Bird included a three-pointer to make it 54-45. As the best rebounder on the court he grabbed an offensive rebound on a missed free throw to keep a possession alive and make it 54-47. Finally on four straight possessions Bird made a 2-pointer to make it 59-52, 3-pointer to make it 61-55, another 2-pointer to make it 61-57, and finally kept a possession alive with two offensive rebounds and eventually hit a 3-pointer to make it 61-60.

On the next trip with 6:05 (10 possessions) to play he finally missed with a potential game-tying 3-pointer, and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute dunked at the other end to make it 65-60, and the 1-point favorite UCLA held on a 76-69 win to advance an play #2 seed UNLV 1991.


#18 Indiana St. 1979PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
Carl Nicks4230137 to 1
Bob Heaton6110237 to 1
Larry Bird30900337 to 1
Leroy Staley6511437 to 1
Alex Gilbert6612137 to 1
Steve Reed5110144 to 38
Rich Nemcek2100144 to 38
Scott Turner2100244 to 38
Brad Miley5200144 to 38
Tom Crowder3100144 to 38
69297317Turnovers: 15
#15 UCLA 2006PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
Jordan Farmar14310136 to 1
Darren Collison9220221 to 1
Cedric Bozeman6600325 to 1
Arron Afflalo13310344 to 1
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute14711238 to 1
Michael Roll6110144 to 33 (2)
Ryan Hollins7411244 to 26 (3)
Alfred Aboya2100244 to 37 (1)
Lorenzo Mata3100232 to 26 (2)
Ryan Wright2200144 to 39 (5)
76307219Turnovers: 15




#10 Arizona (2015) 90, Iowa (2001) 88, 2 OT

In perhaps the most amazing sports board game I've ever played in any sport, #10 West seed Arizona (2015) almost become the biggest upset victim to date. The match-up was tougher than I meant for them to face opening round. When I did the 21st century teams I only had tempo free stats back to 2002 so I made the Iowa team from that year to get the great center Reggie Evans and guard Luke Decker.

However, after developing formulas to add all the 20th century teams and set up this tournament - I realized I could actually now produce the actual surprise Big Ten tournament 2001 champs from Iowa - a team driven by a third great player in Dean Oliver who made Decker and Evans better in 2001 even then they were in 2002 without him.

In short, I gave Arizona a 23 v 10 seed matchup in based which they would have been favored 68-61, and they ended up against better cards for Iowa 2001 that predicted  a closer 67-62 win.

Still, Arizona featured one if the top guard duos in value add history in TJ McConnell and Stanley Johnson.

However Recker drew fouls on McConnell until he had 4 fouls with 28 possessions still to play. The rest of the game he had to play avoiding fouls, which led to easier chances for Recker who had 30 by the end of regulation with Iowa leading 66-62 with only two possessions left.

Stanley Johnson then came up with a fast break transition steals (only a 1-36 roll of 11, 13, 15 with a great steals player like him). He went down and scored and fast break transitions the last 5 possessions of a game - 66-64.

On the final possession, Glen Worley had a game-clincher, but Brandon Ashley rejected the shot. At the other end Kaleb Tarczewski missed the game thing shot, but Ashley rebounded that as well, was fouled, and hit both free throws to force overtime.

McConnell finally did foul out early in the OT and Iowa led 76-71 with 4 possessions left, but his sub Parker Jacksin-Cartwright hit a 3 to make it 78-76 and buckets the last two trips by Tarczewski left another tie at 80-80.

In the second OT it was 86-86 with two possessions left, when Evans missed a shot, got his own rebound, was fouled, but then missed bother free throws (he is only good on 1-12 onna 20-sided die as a 60% free throw shooter).

Hollis-Jefferson scored the last 2 trips and Ashley came up with another block to let Arizona escape 90-88 in 2 OT. The advance to play the first ever undefeated national champion in Bill Russell's 1956 San Francisco team.


More games to follow.

South Region All-Time March Madness: Barkley vs. Jerry West Nail-biter Kicks of Action





Here is the master list of all 96 teams and predictions. Click on the EastWest, Midwest and South bracket to follow the results in each, or click on the Value Add Basketball Game instructions to get the free game and play for yourself. Click here for the google sheet with player cards for all 96 teams. Click here for box scores to all tournament games.

PDFs of new and improved player cards appear below:

Alabama 1977 to Duke 2010

Florida 2006 to Iowa 2002

Kansas 1957 to LSU 2006

Marquette 1977 to Notre Dame 1970

Ohio State 1960 to Purdue 2018

San Diego State 2011 to Texas Southern (UTEP) 1966

UCLA 1972 to Wyoming 1943


Table key: dunks = number of uncontested scores out of 36 rolls from 11-36, Stop Dunks = number added (bad) or subtracted (good) from opponents dunk range, Pred Off = average score resulting from team playing cards in 66 possession Value Add Basketball Games against all top 100 teams in history, Pred Def = average points cards would allow in the those games, Net = difference between those two which is used as the teams rating for seeding or knowing who is favored in a given game by how many points (difference between two net scores). E.g. Arizona's 14.2 indicates it would average defeating LSU (5.5) by 8.7 points if they played hundreds of times.  Click here for all box scores from tournament games.


SeedSouth RegionYearConferenceDunksStop DunksPred OffPred DefNet
18Alabama1977SEC6073.963.210.7
6Arkansas1994SEC (West)7-276.560.915.6
19Auburn1984SEC3074.164.010.1
11Auburn2019SEC8-273.159.713.4
21Davidson2008SC7-170.061.98.1
3Florida2006SEC12-377.058.918.1
22George Mason2006CAA4066.658.68.0
23Georgia1982SEC2-170.762.97.8
4Houston1968Ind8-179.061.817.2
1Kansas2008Big 1210-275.456.119.3
5Kansas1957Big 78-673.857.116.7
7Kentucky2012SEC10-374.659.814.8
8Louisville1980Metro6-376.461.714.7
15LSU2006SEC10-271.560.411.1
9Memphis2008CUSA9-173.959.414.5
10Oklahoma St1946MVC5-176.262.214.0
12Oklahoma St.2004Big 127-272.359.213.1
20South Carolina2017SEC2-266.257.48.8
17Tennessee1977SEC4275.965.110.8
16Texas2003Big 1212074.163.210.9
13Texas Tech2019Big 124-467.255.611.6
2UNC1982ACC2-873.754.918.8
24VCU2011CAA6169.464.35.1
14West Virginia1959Southern13579.868.211.6

The first South Region All-Time March Madness game was the first to feature the new Value Add Basketball Game Player Cards - which are much easier to print out and have more of a vertical look than the previous cards. Below see a photo of the layout of the game at the end of the game.


#19 Auburn (1984) 84, #14 West Virginia (1959) 76 in Overtime

The first game with the new card layout turned out to be the most exciting game to date and the first upset of the tournament (though West Virginia wins by just one to two points on average in simulated games between the two).

Jerry West and his 1959 West Virginia dominated most of the game, leading until the final four possessions of regulation including a 52-38 lead in the second half. At that point Charles Barkley only had 6 points.

On the crucial play with 4 possessions.left for each team (less than 3 minutes), Chuck Person went to the hoop and drew the fifth foul on Jerry West, hitting both free throws to tie the score 63-63 with West out for the game after a 19 point, 7 rebound game. His backup Robert Clousson did score to regain the lead 65-65, but with only two trips left Barkley scored and drew a foul for the and-one old fashioned 3-point play to give Auburn their first lead at 66-65. However, West Virginia made it 67-65 leaving each team with one possession to go for each team.

Both teams committed fouls on their final defensive possession - with Auburn's Gerald White (a 65% free throw shooter who makes his shot on a roll of 1-13 on the 20-sided die) hitting both to give Auburn their second lead of the game at 68-67, and then West Virginia's Bob Smith (70%, 1-14 made) missing the first shot and then making the second one to send the game to overtime at 68-68. If he had missed the second, the team's could have battled for the rebound but the offense is less than half as likely to get an offensive rebound on a free throw as on a regular shot missed, making UVa's intentional miss last year all the more amazing).

Auburn dominated the overtime with West out of the game.


#19 Auburn 1984PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
Gerald White10210229 to 1 (1)
Frank Ford6610544 to 30, 21 to 1 (2)
Greg Turner16701344 to 37, 28 to 1 (3)
Charles Barkley16601236 to 1 (4)
Chuck Person24731444 to 1 (5)
Paul Daniels10210344 to 30 (1), 29 to 22 (2)
Vern Strickland2210344 to 37 (4), 36-29 (3)
Terry Martin00002DNP
Mark Cahill00002DNP
Carey Holland00001DNP
84327327Turnovers: 11
#14 West Virginia 1959PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
Marvin Bucky Bolyard12410437 to 1 (1)
James Ritchie8500237 to 1 (2)
Bob Smith11802537 to 1 (3)
Willie Akers8703237 to 1 (4)
Jerry West19711544 to 4 (5)
Paul Butch Goode3301144 to 38 (1)
Lee Patrone2000144 to 38 (2)
Joe Posch4000144 to 38 (3)
Robert Clousson10400144 to 38 (4), 3 to 1 (5)
Ronald Retton00000DNP
77382722Turnovers: 15

More to come

Midwest Region All-Time March Madness: 1943 Wyoming Inventor of Jump Shot Battles Ohio State's 2007 Conley






Here is the master list of all 96 teams and predictions. Click on the EastWest, Midwest and South bracket to follow the results in each, or click on the Value Add Basketball Game instructions to get the free game and play for yourself. Click here for the google sheet with player cards for all 96 teams. Click here for box scores to all tournament games.

PDFs of new and improved player cards appear below:

Alabama 1977 to Duke 2010

Florida 2006 to Iowa 2002

Kansas 1957 to LSU 2006

Marquette 1977 to Notre Dame 1970

Ohio State 1960 to Purdue 2018

San Diego State 2011 to Texas Southern (UTEP) 1966

UCLA 1972 to Wyoming 1943


Table key: dunks = number of uncontested scores out of 36 rolls from 11-36, Stop Dunks = number added (bad) or subtracted (good) from opponents dunk range, Pred Off = average score resulting from team playing cards in 66 possession Value Add Basketball Games against all top 100 teams in history, Pred Def = average points cards would allow in the those games, Net = difference between those two which is used as the teams rating for seeding or knowing who is favored in a given game by how many points (difference between two net scores). E.g. Arizona's 14.2 indicates it would average defeating LSU (5.5) by 8.7 points if they played hundreds of times.  Click here for all box scores from tournament games.

SeedMidwest RegionYearConferenceDunksStop DunksPred OffPred DefNet
9Cincinnati2002CUSA9-571.957.814.1
5Connecticut2004Big East11-475.458.716.7
20Creighton2014Big East2-372.762.510.2
12Georgetown2007Big East3-669.556.812.7
10Illinois2005Big Ten6-372.258.513.7
16Indiana2002Big Ten6-468.256.811.4
1Indiana1976Big Ten6-976.754.222.5
21Kansas St.2008Big 1210-173.063.39.7
19La Salle1954Ind8-271.861.010.8
24Loyola-Chicago2018MVC0-265.860.35.5
6Michigan1989Big Ten3-476.760.616.1
14Michigan St.2009Big Ten10-371.659.112.5
2Michigan St.1979Big Ten4-773.855.218.6
18Notre Dame1970Ind12679.969.110.8
11Ohio St.2007Big Ten7-271.758.713.0
3Ohio State1960Big Ten13283.265.118.1
13Oklahoma1985Big 89580.868.112.7
17Oklahoma2016Big 128-172.261.310.9
4Purdue1969Big Ten15282.065.316.7
8Purdue2018Big Ten5-473.859.314.5
15St. Joe's2004A105172.260.112.1
23Wichita St.2013MVC5-167.759.87.9
7Wisconsin2015Big Ten1-671.756.814.9
22Wyoming1943MSAC8575.666.98.7

#11 Ohio State (2007) 73, #22 Wyoming  (1943)


Before taking two years off from his All-American career at Wyoming to fight as a Marine in the South Pacific, the 5-foot-10 Ken Sailors invented the jump shot to shoot over his 6-foot-4 brother and is described as a modern Markus Howard from Marquette - dribbling around and through players. The 1943 team he led to a 32-1 record despite needing to travel for 24 of those games (the NCAA election committee would have loved that), shocked Georgetown for the NCAA title and then shocked NIT champion St. John's in a game between the two champions.

We opened the All-Time Midwest March Madness with Sailor taking on the 2007 Ohio State team, and while Sailors two big men underneath - Jim Weir and Milo Komenich - kept it respectable with 19 rebounds, in the end the Buckeyes will too much and advanced to play their hated rival in the #6 seed Michigan that won the 1999 title. By the time Sailors hit his first jumper, Ohio State led 42-32.

Mike Connelly and Greg Oden took over with the inside-outside game during five possessions after Wyoming cut it to 44-39. Connelly's steal denied Wyoming a chance to get closer, Oden then scored after an offensive rebound, and Connelly scored and was fouled on his next trip, before Oden showed why he is one of the best shot blockers in history with a block, and Ivan Harris' dunk pushed it back to double digits at 57-46 and Wyoming never threatened again. Obviously decades of training made modern athletes much faster and stronger than players from eras past, based on the level of play at hte time Wyoming's player cards left them only a 4-point underdog to Ohio State on the game based on the table above.


#22 Wyoming 1943PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
James Collins7321237-1 (1)
Floyd Volker4512337-1 (2)
Ken Sailors11600137-1 (3)
Jim Weir201021237-1 (4)
Milo Komenich7901237-1 (5)
Donald Waite2100144-38 (1)
Earl Ray2100144-38 (2)
Jack Downey2101144-38 (3)
Jimmie Reese3100144-38 (4)
Lou Roney2200144-38 (5)
60395615
#11 Ohio State 2007PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
Jamar Butler11350240 to 1 (1), 40-38 (2), 37 (3)
Mike Conley15320144-41, 37-1 (2)
Ron Lewis11301338, 36-1 (3)
Ivan Harris8301222-1 (4)
Greg Oden81013228-1 (5)
David Lighty2100144-41 (1), 40-38 (2)
Daequan Cook4300144-39 (3)
Othello Hunter8310344-24 (4)
Matt Terwilliger6500144-29 (5), 23 (4)
73349516

More to come

East Region All-Time March Madness: Senator Bill Bradley Leads Princeton vs. Syracuse 1987 Champs


Here is the master list of all 96 teams and predictions. Click on the EastWest, Midwest and South bracket to follow the results in each, or click on the Value Add Basketball Game instructions to get the free game and play for yourself. Click here for the google sheet with player cards for all 96 teams. Click here for box scores to all tournament games.

PDFs of new and improved player cards appear below:

Alabama 1977 to Duke 2010

Florida 2006 to Iowa 2002

Kansas 1957 to LSU 2006

Marquette 1977 to Notre Dame 1970

Ohio State 1960 to Purdue 2018

San Diego State 2011 to Texas Southern (UTEP) 1966

UCLA 1972 to Wyoming 1943


Table key: dunks = number of uncontested scores out of 36 rolls from 11-36, Stop Dunks = number added (bad) or subtracted (good) from opponents dunk range, Pred Off = average score resulting from team playing cards in 66 possession Value Add Basketball Games against all top 100 teams in history, Pred Def = average points cards would allow in the those games, Net = difference between those two which is used as the teams rating for seeding or knowing who is favored in a given game by how many points (difference between two net scores). E.g. Arizona's 14.2 indicates it would average defeating LSU (5.5) by 8.7 points if they played hundreds of times.  Click here for all box scores from tournament games.


SeedEast RegionYearConferenceDunksStop DunksPred OffPred DefNet
24Butler2011Horizon4167.561.95.6
9Duke2011ACC12-175.060.814.2
10Duke1992ACC5-175.761.813.9
11Georgetown1984Big East0-571.958.613.3
14Georgia Tech2004ACC9-172.159.812.3
1Kentucky1996SEC (East)11079.660.718.9
13Marquette2003CUSA9174.662.212.4
6Maryland2002ACC13279.863.216.6
23Navy1986CAA0272.065.36.7
2North Carolina St.1974ACC14-180.862.318.5
17Pittsburgh2009Big East4071.961.110.8
21Princeton1965Ivy11369.461.18.3
18Seton Hall1989Big East1-470.960.110.8
15St. John's1985Big East3-273.861.712.1
12Syracuse1987Big East4074.361.712.6
8Uconn1999Big East7-971.655.316.3
7UNC2005ACC15278.962.416.5
22Villanova1985Big East0070.862.58.3
4Villanova2018Big East8-476.659.217.4
5Virginia1981ACC0-576.459.716.7
3Virginia2019ACC3-1068.951.517.4
19Wake Forest2005ACC14377.466.710.7
16Wake Forest1996ACC0-867.956.611.3
20West Virginia2011Big East7-468.158.89.3

The seeding in the East gave us one actual rematch of a championship Butler missed a national title by one shot vs. Duke in 2011, Duke is an 8-point favorite in the rematch for a chance to advance and play UConn 1999, the No. 8 seed that beat another great Duke team for a national title.

However, we started with perhaps the two biggest heart break franchises of the past several decades - Pitt and Wake Forest - the closest match-up as the #16 and $17 seeds with Wake Forest 1996 a bare 0.5 points favorite against 2009 Pitt (11.3 to 10.8 net points in simulations above).

It is amazing that with all of the incredible players and teams these two schools produced while playing in the rugged ACC and Big East - neither team made a Final 4 in the past 35 years as each seemed to just keep hitting that one bad match-up year after year (Pitt hitting Dwyane Wade and eventual runner-up Butler early in two tournaments). Our dice game was between the only team from each school to even make the Elite 8 in those 35 years - as Tim Duncan took Wake to their third Sweet 16 in four years but only Elite 8 performance, and Sam Young and perhaps the greatest offensive rebounder in decades - DeJuan Blair - took Pitt to their 5th Sweet 16 in 9 years but only Elite 8. Wake did claim the ACC tournament title that year.

Tim Duncan grabbed an incredible 12 first half rebounds to lead Wake to a 36-24 lead before Blair even entered the game. (in the game, Duncan can play all 44 possessions, but Blair only 33 so we use him the last 33). Blair scored his second trip down the court and then he and Young took over for a long stretch to go from down 33-45 (25 possessions left) to a 48-47 lead when Duncan (one of the greatest shot blockers in the game) actually rejected Blair but Jermaine Dixon grabbed the offensive rebound to score and cap the 15-2 run.

With only two possessions left for each team (Pitt first, then Wake second as the home team), Pitt came down the court trailing only 59-60 when Wake's Jerry Braswell stole the ball and had the only fast break attempt of the game in the slugfest between two of the greatest defensive teams in the game. Baswell missed on the break, but Sean Allen grabbed the rebound and was fouled - hitting one of two free throws to make it 61-59.

Pitt worked it to Young, who drained a two for his 19th point to tie the game at 61-61. Young then played hero at the other end, rejecting Duncan's potential game-winning shot, only to have Allen grabbed the offensive rebound for the second trip in a row and score a lay-up to give Wake the 63-61 win.

Ironically I looked up the 1996 tournament after the game, and Wake beat Louisville by a similar 60-59 low scoring game, and Duncan has the same 13 rebounds in that game (but 27 points as opposed to just 10 in our dice game) and Allen grabbed the winning rebound in the final seconds to preserve the win - though that was on the defensive side (video here). In a coincidence, the 1996 Wake team now plays actual team that beat them in the Elite 8 that year - the 1996 Kentucky team that is the #1 seed in the East and actually destroyed Wake 83-63 in the real game. The simulation table above indicates Kentucky is just 8 points better than Wake, so an upset is possible, and that Wake team is not as strong as the top two No. 1 seeds, the undefeated 1976 Indiana and 1972 UCLA teams.

#16 Wake Forest (1996) 63, #17 Pitt (2009) 61


#17 Pitt (2009)PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
Levance Fields6310542-12 (1, Fouled out)
Jermaine Dixon3210239, 24-1 (2)
Tyrell Biggs8900128-1 (3)
Sam Young19602142-1 (4)
DeJuan Blair121012133-1 (5)
Ashton Gibbs2100144-43 (1)
Nasir Robinson4201144-40 (2), after FO 12-1 (1)
Gilbert Brown3300144-29 (3)
Gary McGhee2200144-43 (4)
Brad Wanamaker2300144-34 (5)
61413515
#16 Wake Forest (1996)PtsRebStlsBlksFoulsPossessions Played
Tony Rutland19720343-1 (1)
Jerry Braswell4420326-1 (2)
Rusty LaRue4400441-1 (3)
Tim Duncan101312444-1 (4)
Sean Allen8501228-1 (5)
Armond Wilson5100144 (1), 30-27 (2)
Steven Goolsby5100244-31 (2)
Joseph Amonett2100144-42 (3)
Antonio Jackson2100139-34 (5)
William Stringfellow4200144-40 (5)
63395322

#10 Duke (1992) 77, #23 Navy (1986) 61

The great David Robinson's game high 10 rebounds helped Navy out rebound Duke 33-29 despite Missing many more shots - but he and Christian Laettner held each other in check scoring.

Laettner simply had two much support from Bobby Hurley, who pressured Navy into 16 turnovers while running a Duke offense that only turned it over 9 times, and Grant Hill. And people forget Thomas Hill, the leading scorer as those four starters all scored double figures, was also 3rd team all-acc and a star and picked on weaker Navy defenders while Robinson contained Laettner (and vice versa).

Duke now gets their dreaded rival UNC (the 2005 national champs) in the #7 vs #10 game, with the winner of that game potentially getting the No. 2 sees - Michael Jordan's 1982 team. To show the different ways I track games, I did this running score free hand in a pad (the player stats were still kept on the printed score sheets. Here is a photo to give you multiple options.



#12 Syracuse (1987) 79, #21 Princeton 62

Before he was a popular US Senator and Presidential candidate, Bill Bradley produced a 1965 Ivy League season that resulted in an incredible card. He averaged 30.5 ppg with an incredible ability to draw fouls (9-13 on 20-sided die) and then hit 90% of his free throws (1-18 on 20-sided die).

This from a great shot blocker and rebounder, and guard Ken Shank hit more that 60% of his shots to get 16.8 per game.

Unfortunately Princeton's team defense (+13 on dunks opponents's dunk range) was the worst in of the 96 great teams. This is a calibrated measurement of defense adjusted for level if competition - as is the dunk range on offense.

The disparity gave Syracuse's 1987 champs open lanes to the basket for layups and dunks on rolls of 51-66 - one third of offensive rolls.

Despite Bradley's 13 points and 8 rebounds and shank's 18 points Syracuse led by 20 down the stretch and won 79-62 to advance to face Ralph Sampson and the 1981 UVa team.

The balanced attack of Tony Seikaly (14 points, 8 rebounds), Greg Monroe (14, 4), Derrick Coleman (8, 5, 2 steals and a block), and Sherman Douglas were just too much.



Additional Game Summaries to follow.

Wednesday, November 27, 2019

Pistol Pete's Offense vs. UVa 2019 or Jordan's Defense; 96 Great Teams Calculated for Game

After using modern tempo-free stats to create player cards for 48 great 21st century teams, the focus turned to estimated the tempo played by 20th century teams to create accurate cards for Value Add Basketball Game. Click here for playing cards for the 48 great 20th century teams.

The defenses of Michael Jordan's 1982 UNC title team (average score 67-55) and last year's UVa champions (71-56) were obviously much better than the defense of Pistol Pete Maravich's 1970 LSU team (93-89 average score). While Pistol Pete is the only player in the game to get the ball half the time he is in the game and the offense was elite, based on the number of shots taken we know LSU went up and down the court many more than the "average" 66 trips for each team in VABG and the team's LSU faced that year were not nearly as good as the opponents faced by UVa and UNC.

For fellow wonks, the complicated math appears below the list of teams in the game. For everyone else, if all teams played 66 possessions in the game (rather than a clock) against the same competition in the average year, we would expect 1970 LSU's elite offense with Pistol Pete to average a 80-74 win. That would give them a better offense than 1982 UNC or 2019 UVa, but playing the same competition in the same era we would expect those two to average winning by 73-55 and 71-56 respectively.

In the game, after each team's players ability to steal, block shots, avoid fouling and turnovers, rebound and hit various shots after getting open for three-pointers, two-pointers, draw fouls, and hit each or drawing fouls, a "dunk/layup" and "adj/opp. dunk layup" range is established for the whole team to adjust for tempo and strength of schedule. In early years, we estimate the number of shots were three-pointers, and the number of steals and blocks - but the dunk adjustments make the cards for each team as good as they should perform in real life.

We believe the game is as accurate as you can get playing teams from various eras. However, this does NOT mean we actually believe a team from 1950 would get in a time machine and stand a chance against a modern team, any more than Babe Ruth could step into a time machine and hit modern sliders. However, if we treat each eras as equal, we believe the teams will perform very close to how the would over the course of a season - with the normal ups and downs from game to game that occasionally mean Evansville can beat Kentucky and Stephen F. Austin can beat Duke.

For fellow math geeks, the math is below the tables - but here is the score we would expect each team to average if all played the same competition. The first score is how many points they would average scoring, then allowing, and then the difference. The teams are grouped in six modern conferences for the game, but the final column shows the conference in which they actually played.


YearACCAdj PtsAllowedNet/66 posActual Conf
1974North Carolina State81.062.918.1ACC
1982North Carolina73.355.417.8ACC
2005North Carolina79.362.816.5ACC
2011Duke75.460.814.7ACC
1992Duke75.861.714.1ACC
2002Maryland76.362.513.8ACC
2019Virginia66.252.513.6ACC
2009Pittsburgh73.160.013.0Big East
2003Syracuse75.262.912.4Big East (West)
1981Virginia70.558.212.2ACC
2004Georgia Tech72.260.012.2ACC
1987Syracuse74.262.711.5Big East
2005Wake Forest77.166.011.1ACC
1980Louisville72.661.710.9Metro
1996Wake Forest65.454.710.7ACC
1970Notre Dame79.369.110.2Ind
YearBig 12Adj PtsAllowedNet/66 posActual Conf
1960Cincinnati81.660.920.8MVC
1968Houston79.060.918.1Ind
1957Kansas74.657.517.1Big 7
2008Kansas74.658.116.6Big 12
1946Oklahoma St76.162.214.0MVC
1982Missouri72.459.213.2Big 8
1985Oklahoma81.468.712.7Big 8
2004Oklahoma State71.559.212.3Big 12
1959West Virginia80.368.411.9Southern
2019Texas Tech66.854.911.9Big 12
2004Saint Joseph's71.860.011.8A-10 (East)
1966Texas-El Paso68.957.911.0Ind
2003Texas73.963.011.0Big 12
2016Oklahoma72.461.511.0Big 12
2008Kansas State73.163.99.2Big 12
2011West Virginia68.259.19.2Big East
YearBig EastAdj PtsAllowedNet/66 posActual Conf
2018Villanova75.960.215.7Big East
2013Louisville73.058.114.9Big East
1999Connecticut72.157.314.7Big East
2002Cincinnati72.057.614.4CUSA (American)
1984Georgetown71.457.713.7Big East
2004Connecticut73.960.413.5Big East
1985St. John's (NY)73.861.012.8Big East
1977Marquette65.954.011.9Ind
2007Georgetown67.756.411.3Big East
1989Seton Hall70.859.611.2Big East
2014Creighton72.762.110.6Big East
2003Marquette72.663.49.2CUSA (American)
1985Villanova68.960.18.8Big East
1965Princeton70.061.68.4Ivy
1945DePaul67.259.18.1Ind
2011Butler67.961.76.1Horizon
YearBig TenAdj PtsAllowedNet/66 posActual Conf
1976Indiana76.654.522.1Big Ten
1960Ohio State83.663.120.4Big Ten
1979Michigan State73.956.517.4Big Ten
1963Loyola (IL)81.864.916.9Ind
1969Purdue82.665.716.8Big Ten
1989Michigan76.560.915.7Big Ten
2015Wisconsin70.956.714.2Big Ten
2005Illinois71.958.213.7Big Ten
2018Purdue72.759.113.6Big Ten
2007Ohio State71.659.012.6Big Ten
2013Michigan73.460.812.6Big Ten
2002Indiana68.057.011.0Big Ten
1954La Salle72.261.311.0Ind
2009Michigan State71.260.510.7Big Ten
1979Indiana State75.164.510.7MVC
2002Iowa69.162.66.5Big Ten
YearPac-12Adj PtsAllowedNet/66 posActual Conf
1972UCLA81.756.824.9Pac-8
1991Nevada-Las Vegas79.761.418.3Big West
2008Memphis73.759.214.5CUSA
2015Arizona72.758.714.0Pac-12
1956San Francisco68.454.613.9CBA
2017Gonzaga71.457.813.6WCC
1997Arizona76.963.413.5Pac-10
1959University of California68.055.113.0PCC
1958Seattle78.567.011.4Ind
2006UCLA67.556.710.8Pac-10
2017Oregon69.258.510.7Pac-12
2011San Diego State68.057.610.4MWC
1998Utah66.256.59.7WAC (Mountain)
1943Wyoming75.866.29.6MSAC
2013Wichita State68.159.98.2MVC
2018Loyola (IL)64.659.65.0MVC
YearSECAdj PtsAllowedNet/66 posActual Conf
1996Kentucky80.961.019.9SEC (East)
2012Kentucky74.158.915.2SEC
1994Arkansas77.663.614.1SEC (West)
2006Florida73.560.712.7SEC (East)
2006Louisiana State71.260.211.0SEC (West)
1977Tennessee76.065.210.8SEC
2019Auburn71.560.910.6SEC
1977Alabama73.963.610.3SEC
1984Auburn73.864.09.8SEC
2017South Carolina66.457.98.5SEC
2008Davidson70.462.48.0Southern (South)
1982Georgia70.662.68.0SEC
2006George Mason66.659.37.4CAA
1986Navy69.762.96.8CAA
1970Louisiana State79.774.15.6SEC
2011Virginia Commonwealth68.664.44.2CAA

Notes on the math:

Tempo Free Stats - When we calculated the 21st Century cards, we used the tempo free team ratings and stats at www.kenpom.com.

However, we switched to the incredible Simple Ratings System (SRS) at basketball reference for development of the 20th century player cards and then updated the other cards to make the all one system.

We started with the offensive and defensive ratings from SRS, however we noticed rules changes such as freedom of movement allowed the better teams in modern eras and other times to distance themselves by greater margins that teams in more "grind it out" eras.

To address this, we adjusted the Offensive SRS so that the Net Average each year for the 10th best team would be +16.6.

We did not allow any team who did not win the title (e.g. 1991 UNLV) to have a net rating higher than +25.0, so a few were adjusted down a couple of points but still very strong.

On the flip side we improved a couple of elite championship teams by a couple of points - including the undefeated 1976 Indiana champions.

However the vast majority of teams have the exact calculation that also results in the 10th best team the season they played at +16.6.

These numbers are then converted back to www.kenpom.com equivalent ratings based on adding the adjusted SRS Offensive number to 100 to get the estimated offensive efficiency rating, and subtracting the adjusted SRS Defensive number from 100 to get the estimated defensive efficiency rating - even for the modern teams where the calculated number was used rather than the www.kenpom.com number to adjust for eras.

The numbers that appear above are that number multiplied by .66, to calculate the number of points the team would score in a 66 possession Value Add basketball game (the game actually assumes a 20-20 tie after 22 possessions, and then dice are rolled to play out the final 44 possessions of each game.

The best defensive teams do not necessarily have the best "Adj opp Dunk/layup" range. If a team were to have a great rating, but also have a very high number of dice rolls resulted in steals, blocked shots and defensive rebounds, then all of those things might take away so many points from the opponents that the actual "Adj opp Dunk/layup" range would need to ADD points.

However, normally the best defenses have the best dunk range - making the cards accurate against an average defense in an average era.

A "Adj opp Dunk/layup" of -2 for a team would mean that 2 numbers were taken off the numbers on the opponent's "dunk/lay-up" range.

Likewise, the best offensive teams do not necessarily get the highest dunk range. A team that avoided turning the ball over, drew a lot of fouls, dominated offensive rebounds, and hit a high percentage of shots could calculate as scoring so many points that their actual dunk range was lower, perhaps 51-51 instead of the average 51-53.

However, normally the best offenses have the best dunk range - making the cards accurate against an average defense in an average era.

If an offense's dunk range is 11-57,and the opposing defense's adj opp dunk range is -3, then the dunk range for the game would be 11-54.

However, if at least one of the teams calculated dunk range is higher than 51-56, or lower than 51-50, then it works best to adjust both team ranges the same number.

For example, if one team's calculated dunk range was 51-64 and one was 51-61, you could lower the ranges to 51-53 and 51-50.

Sunday, November 24, 2019

All-Time Great 20th Centuries Team Picked for Value Add Basketball Game

In addition to the all-time teams of the 21st Century in the Value Add Basketball Game, cards will be released for the all-time teams of the 20th Century. Factors considered were how far teams went in the post season as well as if they featured one of the top 50 players of all time according to either Grantland, Bleacher Reports or ESPN. Each school could only have one team - the toughest choices being Bill Walton's best UCLA team being slightly better than Lew Alcindor's best UCLA team, even though Alcindor was slightly better than Walton as the best player in the history of college basketball.


YrACCWLFinishTop 50 All-Time or Best PlayerTop 50 All-Time?
74NC State301ChampionDavid Thompson4
92Duke342ChampionLaettner & Hurley8 & 42
82UNC322Champion Jordan & Worthy12 & 50
81Virginia294Final FourRalph Sampson5
80Louisville333ChampionDarrell Griffith27
96Wake Forest266Elite 8Tim Duncan22
87Syracuse317Runner upRony SeikalyNBA9
70Notre Dame218Peak AP No. 6Austin Carr14
ConfBig 12WLFinishTop 50 All-Time or Best PlayerTop 50 All-Time?
46Oklahoma St312ChampionBob Kurland23
57Kansas243Runner upWilt Chamberlain6
60Cincinnati282NCAA 3rd placeOscar Robertson2
68Houston312Final FourElvin Hayes6
66UTEP281ChampionDave LattinNBA10
82Missouri274Peaked AP 1Steve StipanovichNBA2
85Oklahoma316Elite 8Wayman Tisdale21
59West Virginia265Runner upJerry West7
ConfBig EastWLFinishTop 50 All-Time or Best PlayerTop 50 All-Time?
99Connecticut342ChampionRichard HamiltonAll-A, NBA3
84Georgetown343ChampionPatrick Ewing & Michael Graham15&40
85St. John's314Final FourWalter Berry & Chris Mullin6 & 40
77Marquette257ChampionButch Lee30
85Villanova2510ChampionEd PinckneyNBA10
89Seton Hall317Runner upJohn MortonNBA25
65Princeton236NCAA 3rd placeBill Bradley8
45DePaul213Won NITGeorge Mikan24
ConfBig TenWLFinishTop 50 All-Time or Best PlayerTop 50 All-Time?
76Indiana320ChampionScott May35
60Ohio State253ChampionJerry Lucas13
79Michigan State266ChampionMagic Johnson11
89Michigan307ChampionGlen Rice23
69Purdue235Runner upRick Mount32
63Loyola292ChampionJerry HarnessAll-A
54La Salle264ChampionTom Gola15
79Indiana State331Runner upLarry Bird8
ConfPac 12WLFinishTop 50 All-Time or Best PlayerTop 50 All-Time?
72UCLA300ChampionBill Walton3
91UNLV341Final 4L. Johnson & Augmon29 & 47
97Arizona259ChampionMike BibbyAll-A, NBA2
56San Francisco290ChampionBill Russell4
98Utah304Runner upAndre MillerAll-A, NBA8
59California254ChampionDarrall ImhoffAll-A, NBA8
58Seattle236Runner upElgin Baylor21
43Wyoming312ChampionKen SailorsInv. Jumper
ConfSECWLFinishTop 50 All-Time or Best PlayerTop 50 All-Time?
96Kentucky342ChampionTony DelkAll-A, NBA16
94Arkansas313ChampionCorliss WilliamsonNBA13
77Tennessee226Peaked AP 7thBernard KingAll-A, NBA7
77Alabama256Peak AP No. 3Reggie KingNBA18
86Navy305Peak AP 17David Robinson23
84Auburn2011Peak AP No. 16Charles BarkleyNBA5
82Georgia1912NIT SemisDominique WilkinsNBA3
70LSU2210NIT SemisPete Maravich2




As with the 21st Century teams, eight teams were selected loosely corresponding to the top 6 conferences over the past four decades - the ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC, regardless of their actual conference when they played. If the team featured a player in one of the top 50 all-time lists, that player is listed and his highest all-time ranking is listed in the final column (e.g. NC State is listed first, and David Thompson is noted as the 4th greatest player ever which is his Grantland rating, while Michael Jordan's top rating came from the Bleacher Report.

 Going through the ACC as an example: The teams are listed in my perception of who will have the strongest player cards in the game to the weakest. While many are close, I perceive NC State's 30-1 national champion as the strongest ACC team of all time, though Duke's 34-2 champion and Jordan's 32-2 champs are very close. For that matter, even though Ralph Sampson's 1981 team was eliminated in the Final Four the Sampson vs. Jordan match-ups could go either way, and the 1980 Louisville national champions could certainly defeat any of those on a given day.

Rony Seikaly is the only ACC team with no all-time Top 50 great, so in his case "NBA9" means he as the 9th pick in the NBA draft. While I've pulled stats for players from all these teams, they are from before the tempo free stats of the 21st Century, so it will take some work to produce the cards. We can assume that LSU, who averaged winning 93-89 with Pistol Pete, played at a much higher tempo then DePaul used when working the ball into George Mikan and having him reject shots at the other end of the court.