Saturday, September 2, 2023

10 All-Time Great Hoops Teams Added After Massive Realignment

Update - As we started to calculated the player cards, some of our new teams' ratings improved. Here is the anticipated points per trip against an average team for each new team - though the average against the great teams in the game is about 21 points a game worse.
 
Factors in All-Time Rnk                   BC     Clem FSUNebNWRutgStanUFCVa TWash
Cards Offensive Eff116111115106110118107110111114
Cards Defensive Eff999997969598919610296
Team Starting Rating vs Great Team -4-9-3-11-6-1-5-7-12-3
Tempo Used61747765668063657771
New Rank110th155th94th167th133rd78th120th140th169th96th

Original Post Starters Here:

With the barrage of conference realignment announced this weekend, we are adding 10 teams to our Value Add Basketball Game including two who gave me my most vivid memories as a fan. This is our most popular blog of all-time, with 68,800 unique visitors to date. Yes it's college football kickoff today for many teams - but the realignment is for all college sports.

If I ever needed proof I was a certifiable basketball nut, it would start with a game I went to see Stephen Curry’s dad Dell Curry play at the Richmond Coliseum against a great VCU team. I parked in my home downtown Richmond, at the time ranked No. 2 to Detroit in murder per capita, and bolted with a friend into the game. After the game I could not find my keys despite the help from staffers. I retraced my steps to where I parked, only to discover I had not only left the keys in the car, but left the car running and unlocked for the entire game. I also watched one of the other 10 teams were are adding to the Value Add Basketball game, seeing Brook Lopez sink a shot as he fell on the baseline and the buzzer ended the game to give Stanford an 82-81 win in March Madness on my 43rd birthday in 2008.

 With the barrage of conference realignment, only two teams (Washington State and Oregon State) are currently scheduled to play in the Pac-12 in 2024. This leaves four power football conferences (ACC, Big 12, Big Ten and SEC), one power basketball-only conference (Big East) and for purposes of this post we are categorizing the other schools as “Mid-Major” for our all-time Value Add Basketball Game.

We grouped our Value Add Basketball Game player cards into the 2024 conferences, and found their were 10 schools in one of the power conferences but without a team in our game. We looked at the best teams in the history of each of those 10 schools, as well as the best players to come out of each school, and chose a team for each of them. The following is a summary of the 10 news teams for which player cards are being created to enable you to play them in the game. At the bottom of the blog is the link to the free game and all the player cards.

Duke - 2001 - Shane Battier

ACC - Shane Battier's Duke 2001 Ranked Best of 35 All-Time

Five New Teams Being Added include:

Boston College - 2006 - Jared Dudley

Two 6-foot-7 future NBA players Craig Smith and Jared Dudley dominated for a combined 34 points and 16 rebounds per game as Dudley went onto be one of many great NBA players from BC including Kevin Loughery (1962), John Bagley (1982), Michael Adams (1985), Dana Barros (1989), Howard Eisley (1994) and later Reggie Jackson (2011). The team was two baskets away from a potential ACC and national title, losing only by 2 to Duke in the ACC title game, then by 1 in overtime to Nova in the Sweet 16. They had pretty good balance, but a bit stronger on offense than defense. The debut as the 135th all-time ranked team of our all-time teams from 1943 to current.

Clemson - 1987 - Horace Grant

Two future dominant NBA towers included the greatest Tiger of all in senior Horace Grant (6-foot-10, 21 ppg, 9.6 rpg) and emerging freshman Elden Campbell (6-11, 8.8, 4.1 off the bench) as they started to 24-2 to peak at #10 in the country. Their weaker defense was eventually exposed by the rugged ACC in the final stetch of the season. Grant and Campbell were part of an incredible 8 first round draft picks for Clemson in a 17 year stretch. They were nearly unstoppable on offense, though the defense was exposed late in the season. They debut as the 153rd all-time team in our game.

Florida State - 1993 - Charlie Ward

As great as the 2018 team was with four future NBA players, it was Charlie Ward's 1993 Elite 8 team after he brought the Seminoles their first national football title as the Heisman Trophy winner that we pegged for the game. He was one of five future NBA players for a runner-up in the rugged ACC and 3-seed in the NCAA where they won three games before losing to #1 Kentucky. Ward and Sam Cassell (actually the team's best player) combined for more than 10 assists a game. Cassell, Bob Sura and Doug Edwards each averaged more than 18 points per game.  The Seminoles offense may have been the best in the country, though they were a bit soft on defense. They debut as the 93rd ranked all-time team in our game.

Stanford - 2008 - Brook Lopez

As mentioned above, this is a heartbreaking team for me to include due to Brook Lopez’ shot while falling on the baseline with 1.3 seconds left to beat my beloved Marquette team 82-81 in overtime in the NCAA tournament. He and his 7-foot Robin Brooks both went in the top 15 NBA draft picks. The obviously towered over opponents, stretching UCLA in the Pac-12 championship.  The offense could stall a bit at times, but the defense was among the best in the country. They debut ranked 141st all-time in our game.

Virginia Tech - 1986 – Dell Curry

With all respect to the recent deep NCAA run of NBA bound Nickell Alexander-Walker and Buzz Williams, we went with the father of Steph Curry - Dell Curry and his 1985 and 1986 Virginia Tech teams that combined for a 42-18 run and reached the top 15 during both seasons. The offense was very strong, but the defense was weak and led to first round losses in the NCAA two years in a row. The Hokies debut ranked 168th all-time in our game.

Big 12 – Paul Pierce’s 1997 Kansas Ranked Best of 27 All-Time

One new team is:

Central Florida - 2019 - Tacko Fall

While Joey Graham from the 2005 team went onto be the best NBA player with more than 6,000 points from 2006 to 2011, we went with one of the most talked about future NBA players, Tacko Fall. The 7-foot-6 center from Senegal terrified opponents with his dominant play around the rim, beating VCU by 15 in the tournament before UCF fell just should be a point to Duke in the second round. Their offense and defense were both balanced and good, and they debut as the 162nd best all-time team in our Value Add Basketball Game.

Big East – Mikal Bridges’ 2018 Villanova Ranked Best of 24 All-Time

No new teams are being added to the game.

 

Big Ten – Bill Walton’s 1972 UCLA Ranked Best of 32 All-Time

The following four new teams are being added to the game. And yes, UCLA in the Big Ten.

Nebraska – 2014 – Terran Petteway

We originally listed Aleks Maric’s 2008 squad, but on further review switched to add Terran Petteway’s 2014 squad. Both appear practically equal, but the 2014 squad won eight of the last nine games to finish 11-7 and 4th in the Big Ten to grab a tournament spot. They did lose in the opening round to Baylor by 14, but that Baylor team then beat Creighton by 30 in the next round, so the loss does not look that bad. They had two wins over top 10 teams down the stretch, closing with a home win against Wisconsin after an even more impressive road win at Michigan State, which would go onto the elite 8. This was definitely a defense first team – and debuts at 171st among our all-time great teams.

Northwestern - 2017 - Vic Law

While the school known more for SAT scores than hoops that has not produced an NBA player this century, Vic Law led the school to perhaps their best season ever. Northwestern won at Wisconsin late in the season and then played #1 Gonzaga tough in the 2nd round of the NCAA before losing 79-73. They had a great defense, but not enough offense to be truly elite. They debut at 136th all-time in our game.

Rutgers - 1976 - Phil Sellers

More recently Ron Harper was an intimidating physical force that made Rutgers a scary team, but it was the 1976 team that went 31-0 before finally losing in the Final Four with a dominant offense led by four future NBA players in Phil Sellers (19.2 pts, 10.2 rebounds), Eddie Jordan (14.1), Hollis Copeland 12.9) and James Bailey (9.5 as a freshman off the bench). Admittedly the competition was not as tough as an independent, but 31-0 is 31-0 and the fact that so many of their players showed they could play at the NBA level shows this was no fluke. They might have had the best offense in the country, though the defense was probably saved by a weak opposing schedule as an independent and even an easy draw in the tournament until the Final Four. They debut at 129th all-time in our, but certainly fans could argue they are better than that and we do adjust ratings each time we play a team.

Washington - 2006 - Brandon Roy

Brandon Roy was the best of four NBA-bound players as the Huskies won their last eight games of the season including beating UCLA and winning at Arizona before a 2nd straight Sweet 16 run ended in overtime against UConn. The season capped a 2-year run with an incredible 55-13 record. They had one of the top offenses in the country, though definitely as weaker defense. They debut at 166th all-time in our game.

SEC - Antoine Walker’s 1996 Kentucky Ranked Best of 25 All-time Teams

No new teams are being added to the game.

 

Mid-Majors – Nigel Williams-Goss’ 2017 Gonzaga Ranked best of 35 Teams

No new teams were added – this list includes any team not scheduled to be in one of the five conferences listed above for the 2024 season.

Below are the links to the free Value Add Basketball Game and to the link to all of the teams, grouped in alphabetical order.

 

All-Time Great Teams in  the Value Add Basketball Game in Alphabetical Order

The following is an alphabetical list of all teams in our game, their current rank in our game based both on how strong the cards are and then adjusted for games we have played between them (Bill Walton’s UCLA beat Michael Jordan’s UNC in our first tournament of all teams). On the rankings, we do have a formula that adjusts each team's ranking after each game we play using a formula similar to www.kenpom.com. Like in real life, sometimes a team pulls and upset or gets upset, and with the small sample of games a team may shoot up or down a bit from where we started them based on the player cards. The biggest upset I believe we've had was 1980 DePaul upsetting Kareem's UCLA team - which knocked UCLA out of our top 10 to 22nd, and shot DePaul all the way up to 31st. I believe UCLA is higher and DePaul is lower based on the cards, but that's the fun of playing games and will see if we play enough and UCLA shoots back up or not.

http://www.pudnersports.com/2019/02/value-add-basketball-board-game-debuts.html

 

List A - Alabama 1977 to Georgia Tech 2004

 

List B - Gonzaga 2017 to Marquette 2011

 

List C - Marquette 2023 to San Francisco 1956

 

List D - Seattle 1958 to Xavier 2023 

 


RnkTeam - Year - Best Player CardConf 2024Print pg
133Alabama - 1977 - Reggie KingSECA2
39Alabama - 2023 - Brandon MillerSECA3
57Arizona - 1997 - Mike BibbyBig 12A4
43Arizona - 2015 - Stanley JohnsonBig 12A5
161Arizona St. - 1980 - Byron ScottBig 12A6
157Arkansas - 1978 - Sidney MoncriefSECA7
16Arkansas - 1994 - Corliss WilliamsonSECA8
108Arkansas - 2021 - JD NotaeSECA9
147Auburn - 1984 - Charles BarkleySECA10
28Auburn - 2019 - Chuma OkekeSECA11
17Baylor - 2021 - Jared ButlerBig 12A12
135Boston College - 2006 - Jared DudleyACCA13
149Brigham Young - 1981 - Danny AingeBig 12A14
169Butler - 2010 - Gordon HaywardBig EastA15
125California - 1959 - Jack GroutACCA16
162Central Florida - 2019 - Joey GrahamBig 12A17
21Cincinnati - 1960 - Oscar RobertsonBig 12A18
48Cincinnati - 2002 - Jason MaxiellBig 12A19
153Clemson - 1987 - Horace GrantACCA20
40Colorado - 2021 - McKinley WrightBig 12A21
53Connecticut - 1999 - Richard HamiltonBig EastA22
13Connecticut - 2004 - Ben GordonBig EastA23
37Connecticut - 2023 - Adama SanogoBig EastA24
158Creighton - 2014 - Doug McDermottBig EastA25
163Creighton - 2020 - Ty-Shon AlexanderBig EastA26
74Creighton - 2023 - Ryan KalkbrennerBig EastA27
134Davidson - 2008 - Stephen CurryMid-MajA28
165Dayton - 1967 - Don MayMid-MajA29
103Dayton - 2020 - Obi ToppinMid-MajA30
117DePaul - 1945 - George MikanBig EastA31
31DePaul - 1980 - Mark AguirreBig EastA32
76Duke - 1986 - Johnny DawkinsACCA33
19Duke - 1992 - Christian LaettnerACCA34
5Duke - 2001 - Shane BattierACCA35
15Duke - 2010 - Jon ScheyerACCA36
14Duke - 2015 - Justise WinslowACCA37
61Duke - 2022 - Wendell MooreACCA38
54Florida - 2006 - Joakim NoahSECA39
138Florida Atlantic - 2023 - Johnell DavisMid-MajA40
93Florida State - 1993 - Charlie WardACCA41
160George Mason - 2006 - Jai LewisMid-MajA42
64Georgetown - 1984 - Patrick EwingBig EastA43
79Georgetown - 2007 - Roy HibbertBig EastA44
159Georgia - 1982 - Dominique WilkinsSECA45
89Georgia Tech - 1990 - Dennis ScottACCA46
78Georgia Tech - 2004 - Jarrett JackACCA47
10Gonzaga - 2017 - Nigel Williams-GossMid-MajB2
59Gonzaga - 2023 - Drew TimmeMid-MajB3
118Holy Cross - 1950 - Bob CousyMid-MajB4
11Houston - 1968 - Elvin HayesBig 12B5
29Houston - 1983 - Hakeem OlajuwonBig 12B6
58Houston - 2021 - Quentin GrimesBig 12B7
50Illinois - 1989 - Nick AndersonBig TenB8
27Illinois - 2005 - Deron WilliamsBig TenB9
7Indiana - 1976 - Scott MayBig TenB10
52Indiana - 1981 - Isaiah ThomasBig TenB11
105Indiana - 2002 - Jared JeffriesBig TenB12
140Indiana St. - 1979 - Larry BirdMid-MajB13
120Iowa - 2002 - Reggie EvansBig TenB14
55Iowa - 2021 - Luka GarzaBig TenB15
94Iowa St. - 2014 - DeAndre KaneBig 12B16
71Jacksonville - 1970 - Artis GilmoreMid-MajB17
77Kansas - 1957 - Wilt ChamberlainBig 12B18
139Kansas - 1988 - Danny ManningBig 12B19
2Kansas - 1997 - Paul PierceBig 12B20
3Kansas - 2008 - Mario ChalmersBig 12B21
24Kansas - 2022 - Ochai AgbajiBig 12B22
97Kansas St. - 2008 - Michael BeasleyBig 12B23
85Kansas St. - 2023 - Markquis NowellBig 12B24
104Kentucky - 1948 - Alex GrozaSECB25
150Kentucky - 1970 - Dan IsselSECB26
4Kentucky - 1996 - Antoine WalkerSECB27
35Kentucky - 2012 - Anthony DavisSECB28
143La Salle - 1954 - Tom GolaMid-MajB29
164Louisville - 1980 - Darrell GriffithACCB30
18Louisville - 2013 - Russ SmithACCB31
51Loyola Marymount - 1990 - Bo KimbleMid-MajB32
46Loyola-Chicago - 1963 - Jerry HarknessMid-MajB33
174Loyola-Chicago - 2018 - Cameron KrutwigMid-MajB34
170LSU - 1970 - Pete MaravichSECB35
62LSU - 1992 - Shaquille O'NealSECB36
131LSU - 2006 - Glen DavisSECB37
152Marquette - 1955 - Terry RandBig EastB38
91Marquette - 1971 - Jim ChonesBig EastB39
90Marquette - 1977 - Butch LeeBig EastB40
123Marquette - 1994 - Jim McIlvaineBig EastB41
87Marquette - 2003 - Dwyane WadeBig EastB42
126Marquette - 2011 - Jimmy ButlerBig EastB43
86Marquette - 2023 - Tyler KolekBig EastC2
96Maryland - 1984 - Len BiasBig TenC3
106Maryland - 2002 - Juan DixonBig TenC4
32Memphis - 2008 - Derrick RoseMid-MajC5
100Miami - 2013 - Shane LarkinACCC6
83Miami - 2023 - Norchad OmierACCC7
175Miami FL - 1965 - Rick BerryACCC8
44Michigan - 1965 - Cazzie RussellBig TenC9
45Michigan - 1989 - Glen RiceBig TenC10
65Michigan - 2013 - Trey BurkeBig TenC11
30Michigan St. - 1979 - Magic JohnsonBig TenC12
33Michigan St. - 2000 - Mateen CleavesBig TenC13
60Michigan St. - 2009 - Draymond GreenBig TenC14
107Minnesota - 1977 - Kevin McHaleBig TenC15
82Missouri - 1982 - Steve StipanovichSECC16
167Murray St. - 2019 - Ja MorantMid-MajC17
154Navy - 1986 - David RobinsonMid-MajC18
25NC State - 1974 - David ThompsonACCC19
171Nebraska – 2014 – Terran PettewayBig TenC20
177Niagara - 1970 - Calvin MurphyMid-MajC21
151North Carolina - 1957 - Lennie RosenbluthACCC22
20North Carolina - 1982 - Michael JordanACCC23
41North Carolina - 1998 - Vince CarterACCC24
8North Carolina - 2005 - Sean MayACCC25
128North Carolina - 2022 - Armando BacotACCC26
136Northwestern - 2017 - Vic LawBig TenC27
144Notre Dame - 1970 - Austin CarrACCC28
137Notre Dame - 1981 - Orlando WoolridgeACCC29
9Ohio St. - 1960 - Jerry LucasBig TenC30
72Ohio St. - 2007 - Greg OdenBig TenC31
49Oklahoma - 1985 - Wayman TisdaleSECC32
111Oklahoma - 2016 - Buddy HieldSECC33
114Oklahoma St. - 1946 - Bob KurlandBig 12C34
95Oklahoma St. - 2004 - John LucasBig 12C35
42Oregon - 2017 - Dillon BrooksBig TenC36
115Penn St. - 2018 - Tony CarrBig TenC37
75Pittsburgh - 2009 - DeJuan BlairACCC38
172Princeton - 1965 - Bill BradleyMid-MajC39
176Princeton - 2023 - Tosan EvbuomwanMid-MajC40
66Purdue - 1969 - Rick MountBig TenC41
26Purdue - 2018 - Carsen EdwardsBig TenC42
129Rutgers - 1976 - Phil SellersBig TenC43
92San Diego St. - 2011 - Kawhi LeonardMid-MajC44
81San Diego St. - 2023 - Jaedon LeDeeMid-MajC45
56San Francisco - 1956 - Bill RussellMid-MajC46
130Seattle - 1958 - Elgin BaylorMid-MajD2
63Seton Hall - 1989 - John MortonBig EastD3
101Seton Hall - 2020 - Myles PowellBig EastD4
102SMU - 2017 - Semi OjeleyeACCD5
145South Carolina - 1973 - Mike DunleavySECD6
98South Carolina - 2017 - Sindarius ThornwellSECD7
116St. Bonaventure - 1970 - Bob LanierMid-MajD8
110St. Joe's - 2004 - Jameer NelsonMid-MajD9
84St. John's - 1985 - Chris MullinBig EastD10
88St. Mary's - 2023 - Logan JohnsonMid-MajD11
178St. Peter's - 2022 - Doug EdertMid-MajD12
141Stanford - 2008 - Brook LopezACCD13
142Stephen f austin - 2016 - Thomas WalkupMid-MajD14
70Syracuse - 1987 - Rony SeikalyACCD15
47Syracuse - 2003 - Carmelo AnthonyACCD16
127TCU - 2023 - JaKobe ColesBig 12D17
124Tennessee - 1977 - Bernard KingSECD18
69Tennessee - 2023 - Santiago VescoviSECD19
121Texas - 2003 - T.J. FordSECD20
38Texas - 2023 - Marcus CarrSECD21
67Texas Tech - 2019 - Jarrett CulverBig 12D22
22UCLA - 1967 - Kareem Abdul-JabbarBig TenD23
1UCLA - 1972 - Bill WaltonBig TenD24
119UCLA - 2006 - Jordan FarmarBig TenD25
73UCLA - 2021 - Jaime JaquezBig TenD26
99UNLV - 1987 - Armen GilliamMid-MajD27
23UNLV - 1991 - Larry JohnsonMid-MajD28
68USC - 2021 - Evan MobleyBig TenD29
112Utah - 1998 - Andre MillerBig 12D30
80UTEP (Texas Western) - 1966 - Bobby Joe HillMid-MajD31
173VCU - 2011 - Bradford BurgessMid-MajD32
155Villanova - 1985 - Ed PinckneyBig EastD33
6Villanova - 2018 - Mikal BridgesBig EastD34
122Virginia - 1981 - Ralph SampsonACCD35
12Virginia - 2019 - Kyle GuyACCD36
168Virginia Tech - 1986 - Dell CurryACCD37
34Wake Forest - 1996 - Tim DuncanACCD38
156Wake Forest - 2005 - Chris PaulACCD39
166Washington - 2006 - Brandon RoyBig TenD40
148West Virginia - 1959 - Jerry WestBig 12D41
113West Virginia - 2010 - Kevin JonesBig 12D42
132Wichita St. - 2013 - Fred VanVleetMid-MajD43
36Wisconsin - 2015 - Frank KaminskyBig TenD44
146Wyoming - 1943 - Ken SailorsMid-MajD45
109Xavier - 2023 - Jack NungeBig EastD46

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