The Kansas 1957 star Wilt Chamberlain dominated his rival Bill Russell and 1956 San Francisco, just like he did in most of 94 head-to-head match-ups in the NBA. But like those games, Russell's team dominated 85-64 to surge into the all-time Top 10 basketball teams in our Value Add Basketball Game.
Chamberlain's head-to-head dominance
All 94 head-to-head matchups are available through Stathead, as Chamberlain more than doubled him 29.9 - 14.2 points head-to-head, 28 - 23 rebounds per game, and we estimate based on foul shots taken drawing more than twice as many fouls per game (8-3). His defense held Russell to only 37% shooting from the floor.
In our game today matching their college teams, the points were not quite as lopsided, but he had a 24 to 18 edge and would have been more lopsided except for an off night from the line, hitting only 8 of 15 free throws. He drew 10 fouls, and had four on Russell by early in the second half when we had to switch defense have Russell guard Ron Loneski the rest of the game, and play softer to try to avoid a foul.
In the game a player can still foul out when you are trying to avoid a foul, but it does not guaranty he will not foul out. The two ways this can be done are:
1. Changing who the player with four fouls is guarding. In this case Chamberlain gets the ball on rolls of 5, 7 and 8 and if he has the ball he draws a foul one-third of the time. A 1-3 is a basket plus foul, and an 8-12 is a foul drawn for two shots. However, Loweski only gets the ball on a roll of 4 - so one-third as often - even though he does draw a foul one-quarter of the time on his card (if there is not a turnover or blocked shot) on a 6-10 roll on the 20-sided dice.
2. The team can also declare the player is playing to avoid the foul which makes an adjustment on his card. The defensive numbers for fouling are 33-36, and if playing soft then all those rolls turn into a 2-point basket uncontested. Normally Russell fouls on a 35-36 but not on a 33-34, but all are changed to a basket when playing soft. We played this game as a neutral site, but if a team is at home they get to flip rolls of 36 and 66 to get an extra couple of calls again against the road team.
Russell's championship, win dominance
And yes, Chamberlain got little help and despite his dominance, Russell's San Francisco Dons dominated the game 85-64.
While the two never played in college, Russell's teams dominated the NBA match-ups with a 57-37 game record and went 29-20 in playoff head-to-head matchups. This team was the second of back-to-back titles in college, and his Celtics teams then won 11 of 13 NBA titles for an incredible 13 of 15 titles. It was nice to have KC Jones at his side both in college and the pros, and Russell was hurt one season or it might have been 14 of 15.
In our Game Score Tracker and Ratings of the 200 All-Time great teams in our game, San Francisco improves to the 10th best team of all-time. It could certainly be argued this was the greatest team in college basketball history, at least outside of some UCLA teams.
The previous season they lost their second game of the season against UCLA and were not even ranked. They then won the last 25 games of the season to take the title. They returned for the 1956 season depicted by these cards and won every game, and only one team - Marquette which had made their first Elite 8 the year before - came within single digits.
Here is the new top 25, with three teams tied in 25th. San Francisco is 3-1, averaging a 73-63.5 win, with a kenpom.com-like ranking in our game of 9.1, meaning we calculate they would be expected to beat the average other all-time great team by 9.1 points.
All-Time | Top 25 of all-time great VABG teams | Pre Rank | Won | Lost | Score | Allow | SoS | Rating |
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1 | UCLA - 1972 - Bill Walton | 1 | 6 | 0 | 72 | 62.0 | -0.5 | 14.7 |
2 | Kansas - 1997 - Paul Pierce | 17 | 5 | 0 | 76.8 | 62.4 | -1.0 | 13.0 |
3 | Duke - 2001 - Shane Battier | 4 | 3 | 1 | 78.3 | 72.5 | 4.8 | 12.3 |
4 | Ohio St. - 1960 - Jerry Lucas | 6 | 2 | 1 | 84 | 76.3 | 4.7 | 11.8 |
5 | Indiana - 1976 - Scott May | 7 | 3 | 1 | 71.3 | 59.8 | -0.8 | 11.1 |
6 | Houston - 1968 - Elvin Hayes | 14 | 3 | 1 | 73 | 63.8 | 1.3 | 10.1 |
7 | North Carolina - 1982 - Michael Jordan | 11 | 5 | 1 | 68.8 | 65 | 4.0 | 10.0 |
8 | Kansas - 2008 - Mario Chalmers | 47 | 5 | 1 | 74.7 | 56.0 | -0.7 | 9.8 |
9 | Kentucky - 1996 - Antoine Walker | 5 | 2 | 1 | 72 | 69.3 | 3.3 | 9.7 |
10 | San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell | 25 | 3 | 1 | 73 | 63.5 | 1.0 | 9.1 |
11 | North Carolina - 2005 - Sean May | 15 | 3 | 2 | 72.2 | 64.4 | 2.0 | 9.1 |
12 | Arkansas - 1994 - Corliss Williamson | 20 | 1 | 2 | 75.3 | 70.3 | 8.0 | 8.2 |
13 | Villanova - 2018 - Mikal Bridges | 21 | 7 | 2 | 79.4 | 70.3 | 0.1 | 7.9 |
14 | Connecticut - 2023 - Adama Sanogo | 12 | 2 | 0 | 77 | 39.0 | -19.0 | 7.8 |
15 | Connecticut - 2004 - Ben Gordon | 48 | 5 | 2 | 74.7 | 66.0 | 0.7 | 7.5 |
16 | Virginia - 2019 - Kyle Guy | 27 | 4 | 1 | 72.6 | 65.4 | 2.4 | 7.4 |
17 | Baylor - 2021 - Jared Butler | 49 | 2 | 2 | 86 | 78.5 | 4.8 | 7.4 |
18 | Louisville - 2013 - Russ Smith | 28 | 2 | 1 | 74 | 66.3 | 1.7 | 7.3 |
19 | Gonzaga - 2017 - Nigel Williams-Goss | 22 | 3 | 3 | 69.8 | 63.0 | 3.0 | 6.8 |
20 | Kentucky - 2012 - Anthony Davis | 2 | 4 | 2 | 72.2 | 65.7 | -4.7 | 6.6 |
21 | Duke - 1992 - Christian Laettner | 8 | 1 | 2 | 73.7 | 70.3 | 1.0 | 6.5 |
22 | North Carolina St. - 1974 - David Thompson | 16 | 2 | 1 | 72 | 72.7 | 4.3 | 6.5 |
23 | Duke - 2010 - Jon Scheyer | 29 | 5 | 2 | 74 | 66.7 | 0.1 | 6.4 |
24 | DePaul - 1980 - Mark Aguirre | 119 | 3 | 1 | 76.8 | 68.8 | 3.5 | 6.4 |
25 | Michigan St. - 1979 - Magic Johnson | 23 | 2 | 1 | 70.3 | 62.7 | -2.3 | 5.8 |
25 | Houston - 1983 - Hakeem Olajuwon | 24 | 2 | 1 | 70.7 | 65.0 | -0.3 | 5.8 |
25 | Cincinnati - 1960 - Oscar Robertson | 9 | 1 | 2 | 72.3 | 78.0 | 8.3 | 5.8 |
Conf | Over | WCC All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
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1 | 10 | San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell | 4.3 | 3 | 1 | 73.0 | 63.5 | 5 | 9.1 |
2 | 18 | Gonzaga - 2017 - Nigel Williams-Goss | 6.8 | 3 | 3 | 69.8 | 63.0 | 5 | 3.0 |
3 | 51 | Loyola Marymount - 1990 - Bo Kimble | 1.8 | 1 | 2 | 112.3 | 108.3 | -2 | 2.3 |
Conf | Over | B12 All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 2 | Kansas - 1997 - Paul Pierce | 13.0 | 5 | 0 | 76.8 | 62.4 | 7 | -1.0 |
2 | 6 | Houston - 1968 - Elvin Hayes | 10.1 | 3 | 1 | 73.0 | 63.8 | 8 | 1.3 |
3 | 8 | Kansas - 2008 - Mario Chalmers | 9.8 | 5 | 1 | 74.7 | 56.0 | 2 | -0.7 |
4 | 16 | Baylor - 2021 - Jared Butler | 7.4 | 2 | 2 | 86.0 | 78.5 | 2 | 4.8 |
5 | 25 | Houston - 1983 - Hakeem Olajuwon | 5.8 | 2 | 1 | 70.7 | 65.0 | 5 | -0.3 |
6 | 26 | Cincinnati - 1960 - Oscar Robertson | 5.7 | 1 | 2 | 72.3 | 78.0 | 10 | 8.3 |
7 | 46 | Houston - 2021 - Quentin Grimes | 2.0 | 1 | 0 | 102.0 | 50.0 | 0 | -16.0 |
11 | 69 | Kansas - 2022 - Ochai Agbaji | 0.5 | 1 | 0 | 87.0 | 81.0 | 0 | -7.9 |
15 | 79 | Kansas - 1957 - Wilt Chamberlain | 2.7 | 3 | 2 | 67.8 | 71.4 | 5 | -1.0 |
Conf | Over | A10 All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 37 | Massachusetts - 1996 - Marcus Camby | 3.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 3 | 0.0 |
2 | 72 | Loyola-Chicago - 1963 - Jerry Harkness | 0.0 | 0 | 1 | 62.0 | 68.0 | 4 | -2.0 |
3 | 115 | Dayton - 2020 - Obi Toppin | -3.8 | 1 | 1 | 81.5 | 80.5 | -3 | -4.0 |
Conf | Over | ACC All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 3 | Duke - 2001 - Shane Battier | 12.3 | 3 | 1 | 78.3 | 72.5 | 12 | 4.8 |
2 | 7 | North Carolina - 1982 - Michael Jordan | 10.0 | 5 | 1 | 68.8 | 65.0 | 9 | 4.0 |
3 | 10 | North Carolina - 2005 - Sean May | 9.1 | 3 | 2 | 72.2 | 64.4 | 8 | 2.0 |
Conf | Over | Amer All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 43 | Memphis - 2008 - Derrick Rose | 2.4 | 4 | 2 | 68.7 | 65.8 | 3 | -0.3 |
2 | 73 | Temple - 1958 - Guy Rodgers | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0.0 |
3 | 74 | Tulsa - 2000 - Eric Coley | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0.0 |
Conf | Over | B10 All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 1 | UCLA - 1972 - Bill Walton | 14.7 | 6 | 0 | 72.0 | 62.0 | 17 | -0.5 |
2 | 4 | Ohio St. - 1960 - Jerry Lucas | 11.8 | 2 | 1 | 84.0 | 76.3 | 10 | 4.7 |
3 | 5 | Indiana - 1976 - Scott May | 11.1 | 3 | 1 | 71.3 | 59.8 | 10 | -0.8 |
Conf | Over | BE All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 12 | Villanova - 2018 - Mikal Bridges | 7.9 | 7 | 2 | 79.4 | 70.3 | 5 | 0.1 |
2 | 13 | Connecticut - 2023 - Adama Sanogo | 7.8 | 2 | 0 | 78.5 | 58.0 | 10 | -11.0 |
3 | 14 | Connecticut - 2004 - Ben Gordon | 7.5 | 5 | 2 | 74.7 | 66.0 | 2 | 0.7 |
Conf | Over | P12/MWC All-Time Value Add Basketball | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 40 | UNLV - 1991 - Larry Johnson | 2.8 | 1 | 2 | 72.7 | 76.3 | 10 | 0.7 |
2 | 47 | Oregon St. - 1982 - AC Green | 2.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 2 | 0.0 |
3 | 105 | San Diego St. - 2011 - Kawhi Leonard | -2.9 | 2 | 2 | 69.3 | 71.8 | -3 | -0.3 |
Conf | Over | SEC All-Time Value Add Basketball Game | Rating | Won | Lost | Pts | Allow | PreS | SOS |
1 | 9 | Kentucky - 1996 - Antoine Walker | 9.7 | 2 | 1 | 72.0 | 69.3 | 12 | 3.3 |
2 | 11 | Arkansas - 1994 - Corliss Williamson | 8.2 | 1 | 2 | 75.3 | 70.3 | 5 | 8.0 |
3 | 19 | Kentucky - 2012 - Anthony Davis | 6.6 | 4 | 2 | 72.2 | 65.7 | 15 | -4.7 |
Pos | Kansas 1957 | Pts | 3pt | 2pt | FT | Att | Reb | Stl | Blk | Fl | Actual Season | |
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1-PG | John Parker | 7 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 6'0 | 5.5 Pts, 2.0 Reb |
2-SG | Maurice King | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 6'2 | 9.7 Pts, 4.5 Reb-NBA |
3-SF | Gene Elstun | 14 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 6'3 | 11.3 Pts, 5.3 Reb |
4-PF | Ron Loneski | 7 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6'4 | 9.6 Pts, 6.8 Reb |
5-C | Wilt Chamberlain | 24 | 0 | 8 | 8 | 15 | 10 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 7'1 | 29.6 Pts, 18.9 Reb-NBA |
1-PG | John Cleland | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'3 | 2.0 Pts, 0.7 Reb |
2-SG | Bob Billings | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5'11 | 2.2 Pts, 0.9 Reb |
3-SF | Larry Kelley | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'0 | 2.0 Pts, 2.0 Reb |
4-PF | Monte Johnson | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'5 | 1.1 Pts, 1.5 Reb |
5-C | Lew Johnson | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'6 | 3.0 Pts, 3.9 Reb |
Jayhawks Totals | 64 | 2 | 25 | 8 | 15 | 34 | 3 | 5 | 19 | 13 turnovers | ||
Pos | San Francisco 1956 | Pts | 3pt | 2pt | FT | Att | Reb | Stl | Blk | Fl | Ht | Actual Season |
1-PG | Hal Perry | 16 | 0 | 6 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 5'10 | 9.1 Pts, 2.0 Reb |
2-SG | Carl Boldt | 9 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 6'4 | 8.6 Pts, 5.0 Reb |
3-SF | K.C. Jones | 15 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 6'1 | 9.8 Pts, 5.2 Reb-NBA |
4-PF | Mike Farmer | 13 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 6'7 | 8.4 Pts, 7.8 Reb-NBA |
5-C | Bill Russell | 18 | 0 | 8 | 2 | 4 | 11 | 0 | 6 | 4 | 6'9 | 20.6 Pts, 21.0 Reb-NBA |
1-PG | Harold Payne | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5'11 | 1.0 Pts, 0.1 Reb |
2-SG | John Koljian | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'3 | 1.0 Pts, 1.0 Reb |
3-SF | Mike Preaseau | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'5 | 4.1 Pts, 3.1 Reb |
4-PF | Bill Mallen | 8 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'4 | 4.2 Pts, 3.5 Reb |
5-C | Gene Brown | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 6'3 | 7.1 Pts, 4.4 Reb |
Dons Totals | 85 | 1 | 35 | 12 | 16 | 42 | 4 | 7 | 19 | 10 turnovers |
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