Showing posts with label Bobby Knight. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bobby Knight. Show all posts

Sunday, December 25, 2022

B10 VABG Reminder Set-up for Game and Home Advantages

For Christmas Day Basketball we decided to use the home advantage advanced rules for some Big Ten match-ups. Under the Value Add Basketball Game rules games can be played on a neutral site, which we have done with most of the games we have tracked.

This blog is a good reminder on how to set up the game - see steps through the end of the blog.

However, we chose to play the following three Big Ten games with a home advantage:

Iowa 2021 at Indiana 1981
Michigan 1989 at Iowa 2021
Illinois 1989 at Michigan 1965

Under these rules, the home team can reverse any role of 36 or 66. If the visiting team has the ball and a "36" comes up, that would usually (but not always) result in the home team committing a foul. The home team can reverse that to a "66" so the referee missed the foul call. The reverse is also true, if the home team has the ball and a 66 is rolled, the home offense can reverse the result to a "36" which means the referee gave them a foul call that should not have been called. 

Over the course of a game, that will result in a few bad calls in favor of the home team, that will result in about a 3-point advantage for the home team.

The reason we picked those teams is that it gets them all to three games played - the teams ranked #1 to #37 have all played between three and nine games, so we are trying to work through and get every great team up to at least three games played.

We can then have Loyola Marymount travel to #49 Missouri, which will mean the top 49 teams have all played at least three games. 

Here are the teams ranked from #38 to #47 all-time. The number to the left is their ranking among all-time great teams in our game. After a key player from their team is listed, we then list their average points score and allowed, and then an overall ranked and their conference. So Michigan 1965 featuring Cazzie Russell is 1-1, has won their average game by a 81.0 to 71.5 score, and has a rating of 2.5.
 
38Michigan1965Cazzie Russell  11     81  71.5   2.5B10
39Iowa2021  Luka Garza   10      88    69   2.4      B10
40Loyola Marymount (WCC)1990  Bo Kimble   11  119.5    110   2.3     Mid-Maj
41Syracuse2003  Carmelo Anthony   21      76     74   2.3      ACC
42Illinois1989  Nick Anderson   11      78     77    2      B10
43Oklahoma1985  Wayman Tisdale   31    75.3   73.8  1.9      B-12
44Cincinnati2002  Jason Maxiell   22    72.8    71.5  1.9      Amer
45Missouri1982  Steve Stipanovich   20    69.5    65.5  1.5      SEC
46Michigan1989  Glen Rice   02    70.5    78.5  1.3      B10
47Indiana1981   Isaiah Thomas   11      73      73  1.3      B10

Other Set up reminders

When you set up the game, there are adjustment reminders if you plan not to use all players, since each player starts with at least 2 points, 1 foul and 1 rebound that must be given to other players. In this case 1981 Indiana's players have enough stamina that you only need seven players. Since 2 players will not be in the game, I added two points each to Isaiah Thomas (top right), Wittman and Tolbert to start each with 4 points instead of 2 points to give Indiana 20 points at the start of the 20-20 play in the game.

For the 3 rebounds we need to replace, I always work up from the starting center (Turner) so add one rebound to him and then one to Tolbert and Kitchel, the two forwards (we still call the "3" and the "4" the small forward and power forward for easy reference, even though they are often really just bigger guards with modern teams. 

Finally and most important, we need to add three fouls, and try to do it in hopes that the extra foul doesn't make anyone foul out. Obviously I added a foul to two subs, but then picked Wittman for the other extra foul since with only a "36" for fouls on his card - particularly in a home game where a 36 can be turned to a 66 - he is less likely to pick up additional fouls.

The other key in this game is the low dunk ranges and good defensive adjustments to opponents dunk ranges. If you go to the chart in teh game, Iowa is a 51-50, which means they have no automatic dunks, while Indiana calculates as a 51-48, and since that is two below no dunks it actually changes to any 51-52 being a STOP - meaning the shot is missed and defensive player gets the rebound automatically.


The instructions show coins being used to keep track of who is in the game, but another method is just to write the numbers on the team sheet. In this case, Isaiah Thomas and two other starters will play the whole game, so I write 1, 2 and 4 on their cards to show they will be in the whole game, but then 3 and 5 by the two players who will be replaced by a player on the top line. Once I cross those out and write 3 and 5 on the top line I will circle those because they will be in for the rest of the game once inserted.

Also wrote out who gets the ball on the 6, 7 or 8 roll as shown (we suggest using dimes on player getting an extra die roll if you use coins to track who is in the game).








Notice Iowa is much more confusing in their substitutions, with all 10 players being used a lot and noone on the team playing the whole game. Therefore noone is circled, but I also had to play around trying to figure out the possessions each should be in the game and writing in what possessions they would play at what position. One reason I try to play each team a few times is to catch where I have not listed suggestion rotations for a team, so I will likely add the numbers written on these cards back on the master set of cards on the google docs. Also notice that Keegan Murray, who went onto be one of the top players in the country the next year, actually played less than half of games in this season while Luka Garza was National Player of the Year.


Some who play the game have had trouble getting the scoresheet to print out correctly, with the top line being cut off or all 21 images printing from the instructions when they want to just print the scoresheet. I will show these in reverse order, but the image below shows what you hope to see on your printer that will give you a clean print of the whole scoresheet.

The screen below shows how you get to this screen - click on the scoresheet, then right click on it and save the image to your computer. From that point on, you can always pull that image up from your computer to print this image.








Wednesday, November 23, 2022

OSU Wins Despite Big O's 38, then Crushed Michigan

The Ohio State University destroyed both the second best team in their state, the Cincinnati Bearcats, and their rival Michigan Wolverines to soar from 43rd to 10th in our all-time ratings of great college basketball teams. Cincinnati dropped from 10th to 21st, and Michigan dropped from 25th to 48th. Our game trackers and ranking of the 135 great teams in the game can be found here.

 Ohio State (1960) 87, Cincinnati (1960) 78

The Big O, Oscar Robertson, out together one of the all-time great performances in our game with 38 points, 5 blocked shots, and all 4 of his steals in the final 6 minutes.

Unfortunately for the Cincinnati Bearcats, his 6 rebounds were a team high, as Jerry Lucas (18 points, 11 rebounds) and John Havlicek (15, 10) led complete domination of the boards 41-21 between the two 1960 Final four teams that did not play each other. According to the Athletic, Lucas and Havlicek are two of the greatest 75 NBA players of all time.

It was 3 future NBA players to 1, and the Buckeyes third Larry Siegfried was the scrolling star with two key traditional 3-pointers (bucket and foul) in a game in which we did not use the 3-point shot since neither team used it.

Ohio St. (1960) 87, Michigan (1989) 72

The only glimmer of hope for Michigan in this game was it Glen Rice (19 points, 9 rebounds, 8 fouls drawn) could get either John Havlicek or Jerry Lucas to foul out - as he drew 4 fouls on both of them.

Other than that it was complete domination by the Buckeyes for their second straight game, as the three future NBA players from the Bearcats game received unexpected help from Mel Nowell's game high 19 points. One fun note, Bobby Knight did score for Ohio State in this game and drew a foul - but missed the foul shot as only a 60% free throw shooter (1-12 is good on the 20-sided die).

Previously the Buckeyes had been upset 78-79 by the 2009 Michigan State team, one of our bigger upsets.


Click on the game to play yourself - it contains everything you need to play the Value Add Basketball game, which lets you pit any of 136 great all-time college teams against each other. To pick your two teams it is best to click on this Google doc and print the pages of the teams you want (each team is one page). I track my games on this google sheet, but play your own for free!








Sunday, November 20, 2022

College Hoops 2nd Best Conference History - Big Ten

The second greatest conference so far in our Value Add Basketball Game is the Big Ten - which has had 21 National Champions, and Maryland won the title in 2002 before joining the Big Ten. Here is the list by school - Chicago 1907-1909; Illinois 1915; Indiana 1940, 1953, 1976, 1981,1987; Maryland 2002; Michigan 1989; Michigan State 1979, 2000; Minnesota 1902, 1919; Northwestern 1931; Ohio State 1960; Purdue 1932; Wisconsin 1912, 1914, 1916, 1941.

The conference is led so far by the last undefeated team in basketball, Bobby Knight's 1976 squad, followed by the last actual Big Ten Champion, the 2000 Michigan State Spartans.

It truly is amazing the Big Ten has technically not won a title this century (2000 is technically is the last year of the 20th century). Consider that Frank Kaminsky led Wisconsin to a 2015 Final Four upset against the Kentucky team that was considered by some the greatest ever until that game. Further only a bizarre final few seconds cost Purdue a win over eventual national champ Virginia in 2018.  Michigan State is constantly on the verge of a title.

So far the top 6 teams in the conference are 15-6 against the other greatest teams, and rank second with a 5.8 rating - which estimates they are about 6 points better than the average great team in the game - or about 27 points better than the average team.


RnkGreat TeamYearKey Player           W  L  Pts    Allow  Rate
 Top 6 Other Conf  15673.768.25.8
1Indiana1976Scott May3171.359.89.6
2Michigan St.2000Mateen Cleaves3088.378.37.3
3Purdue2018Carsen Edwards4171.268.85.0
4Michigan1989Glen Rice0169.070.04.6
5Illinois2005Deron Williams3272.069.64.3
6Michigan St.1979Magic Johnson2170.362.74.1
7Wisconsin2015Frank Kaminsky2265.063.33.4
8Michigan1965Cazzie Russell1181.071.52.5
9Iowa2021Luka Garza1088.069.02.4
10Ohio St.1960Jerry Lucas0178.079.02.2
11Illinois1989Nick Anderson1178.077.02.0
12Indiana1981Isaiah Thomas1173.073.01.3
13Michigan St.2009Draymond Green6371.371.90.9
14Michigan2013Trey Burke1270.369.70.3
15Ohio St.2007Greg Oden2370.271.4-0.4
16Purdue1969Rick Mount0186.087.0-0.8
17Maryland1984Len Bias1169.568.5-3.2
18Indiana2002Jared Jeffries1367.372.8-3.9
19Maryland2002Juan Dixon1367.076.3-4.0
20Iowa2001Reggie Evans1271.075.3-5.3



We invented the Value Add Basketball Game, and since then have grown it to to 135 teams of all-time great teams and players. We have played 188 games to date, and 63,000 unique visitors have clicked on the game. 

Seven current conferences have at least six all-time great teams in the game. We decided to rank those conferences based on the average rating of their top six teams so far in our games against other teams.

Click on the game to play yourself - it contains everything you need to play the Value Add Basketball game, which lets you pit any of 136 great all-time college teams against each other. To pick your two teams it is best to click on this Google doc and print the pages of the teams you want (each team is one page). I track my games on this google sheet, but play your own for free!

Saturday, February 5, 2022

Baylor 2021 beats Isiah Thomas 1981 Indiana in Sweet 16

We focused on the current great season this weekend, including the story below on this CBS Site with a photo of Shaka Smart, this earlier piece on the most valuable 43 players in the country, and an update to all player rankings at www.valueaddbasketball.com. However, we capped the night by playing one of our All-Time Sweet 16 games with two historic teams whose fans might want to forget their teams getting blown out today and focus on a past championship team.

Below the photo are the results of Isiah Thomas' leading his defensive minded 1981 Indiana team against last year's champion, the 2021 Baylor squad in the Value Add Basketball Game.


This all-time Sweet 16 game was not close, with the defensive minded Indiana team completely thwarted by Baylor's 4-guard attack that jumped to a 40-25 lead at halftime and never looked back en route to a 82-64 win.

Isiah Thomas did have a nice 17 point, 4 steal game - just above his average - but Indiana lost the turnover battle 21-14 and were crushed on the boards by the smaller Baylor team 34-25. This was mainly due to Vital grabbing 10 rebounds. Teague was MVP with 25 points, 6 rebounds and 3 steals.

The following scoresheet is below the player cards. We recommend using 5 coins for each team on the players getting the ball on the 1,2,3,4 or 5 rolls from left to right on the 8-sided die. The dimes are used to show the players still in order who get the ball on the 6,7 or 8 rolls.



Baylor's win sets up an Elite 8 showdown between the highest two all-time ranked teams in the tournament. We now calculate the Duke 2001 team is the 5th ranked team all-time and the Baylor 2021 team is the 6th ranked all-time. The top 4 teams all played in our first all-time tournament, which was won by the 1972 UCLA team. Kansas passed UCLA in the standings by blowing out all their Big 12 opponents by huge margins.





Tuesday, January 11, 2022

Isaiah Thomas and Bobby Knight Defense Tops Ga Tech for Final Sweet 16 Spot

Note: The new ratings of all D1 current college basketball players will be updated at www.valueaddbasketball.com within a week, and then updated regularly for the rest of the season (current ratings as of Christmas).

The 1st Round of the Tournament of 30 additional great teams wrapped up with Isaiah Thomas (15 points, 3 steals) and one of Bobby Knight's great Indiana defensive teams from 1981 dominating the 1990 Georgia Tech team. Indiana advances to play last year's national champions from Baylor, who dominated Notre Dame from the same 1981 season. As for Baylor's first two opponents both being from 1981, that season Indiana team was actually upset by Notre Dame early in the season but by the end of the year the Hoosiers were dominant. The Irish actually lost to BYU in the Sweet 16, while Indiana won all five tournament games by double digits and by an average margin of 23 points.

The game featured an all-time point guard match-up with Kenny Anderson (11 points), who played 16 years in the NBA, matching up with Thomas.

Georgia Tech's Dennis Scott was actually the best player in the game despite the loss, with game-highs in points (19) and rebounds (10). Scott happens to be one of three players I've played against in gems - with Dallas Comegys and Grant Hill being the others.  OK, a more accurate statement is that those three NBA players sort of played around as one of 10 players on the court while the rest of us were playing. Three different events over the years, but Comegys would grab every rebound with jumping, Scott would go ahead and switch a few 35 footers during the game, and Hill would only pass. Hill's team actually lost but when he tried to leave the court one of the winners quickly asked him to stay and take his place with the winners.

I also did have a 20 minute conversation with Bobby Knight in 2016.