Saturday, January 21, 2023

Updating Rankings for All-Time Basketball Teams - Minnesota 1977 Next Addition

 Here are the updated current rankings for teams in our Value Add Basketball Game. I also cross referenced the list with the all-time program rankings in the great ESPN College Basketball book Jay Bilas wrote. We found the most deserving all-time team for which we have not made cards - the 1977 Minnesota Gophers whose season was documented in this piece. 

The top 29 programs in the ESPN book all have at least one team in the game except the 14th best program Minnesota. I did look at their 1997 Final Four squad as a possible, but just realized the 1977 is really the obvious team.

I look for stars in addition to great overall teams, and the Gophers had four future NBA players that year. The 6-foot-10 twin towers were All-American Mychal Thompson (22 points, 9 rebounds per game) and freshman and future NBA superstar Kevin McHale (12, 8). Steve Lingenfelter was also a freshman big at 6;9, and guard Ray Williams was the fourth future NBA player on the team at average 18,8 AND 6 assists a game.

Before I sound too over-the-top, Marquette was the only ranked team they beat and they would start with a rating of -3 due to their SRS being 18, and my starting ranking being the SRS minus 21. That would start them at 77th in the rankings below.

The 24-3 record is remarkable, but when I looked closer Marquette was the only ranked team they beat, losing a home and away against Michigan for two losses. Still, the only other loss was a 2-point loss at Purdue, so this was a great team that belongs in the game.

Here are our updated standings that are in the game, and at the bottom I add Minnesota and the best all-time programs that do not yet have a team in the game.

I should add that a team ranked 50th or so does not mean I believe they are actually the 50th best all-time. If I were picking just the top 100 teams of all time for the game, I would have dozens from the top programs like Kentucky, UCLA, UNC, Indiana, Kansas and Duke. I opted to try to keep each school to a few teams in the game to make room for getting one team in from 86 different schools (87 when I add Minnesota) - so it's kind of like automatic qualifiers in the NCAA tournament - they take the best team from a conference even that team is not one of the best 100 teams in the country like we pick the one best team from a particular good program even if that team would not be in the top 100 or even top 1000 teams all-time.


RankAll-Time Great VABG TeamRatingWinsLossesScoreAllow<3 GPProgram
1UCLA - 1972 - Bill Walton15.5607262 2
2Duke - 2001 - Shane Battier15.43082.371 7
3Kansas - 2008 - Mario Chalmers15.25174.756 3
4Kentucky - 1996 - Antoine Walker14.5217269.3 1
5Villanova - 2018 - Mikal Bridges10.87279.470.3 21
6Kansas - 1997 - Paul Pierce10.13075.360.3 3
7North Carolina - 2005 - Sean May9.63272.264.4 4
8Indiana - 1976 - Scott May9.63171.359.8 5
9Ohio St. - 1960 - Jerry Lucas8.9218476.3 9
10Gonzaga - 2017 - Nigel Williams-Goss8.73369.863  
11Houston - 1968 - Elvin Hayes8.5317363.8 55
12Virginia - 2019 - Kyle Guy8.34172.665.4  
13Connecticut - 2004 - Ben Gordon8.15274.766 54
14Duke - 2010 - Jon Scheyer7.9527466.7 7
15Arkansas - 1994 - Corliss Williamson7.71275.370.3 32
16Michigan St. - 2000 - Mateen Cleaves7.34088.378.3 15
17Baylor - 2021 - Jared Butler7.1228678.5  
18Louisville - 2013 - Russ Smith7217466.3 11
19Duke - 1992 - Christian Laettner6.91273.770.3 7
20North Carolina - 1982 - Michael Jordan6.75168.865 4
21Cincinnati - 1960 - Oscar Robertson6.11272.378 17
22UCLA - 1967 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar5.6218387 2
23UNLV - 1991 - Larry Johnson5.41272.776.3 58
24NC State - 1974 - David Thompson5.1217272.7 22
25Purdue - 2018 - Carsen Edwards54171.268.8 8
26Illinois - 2005 - Deron Williams4.3327269.6 6
27Auburn - 2019 - Chuma Okeke4.2817165.3  
28Michigan St. - 1979 - Magic Johnson4.12170.362.7 15
29Houston - 1983 - Hakeem Olajuwon4.12170.765 55
30DePaul - 1980 - Mark Aguirre43180.367.7 26
31Memphis - 2008 - Derrick Rose3.94268.765.8  
32Wake Forest - 1996 - Tim Duncan3.9216664.7 37
33Kentucky - 2012 - Anthony Davis3.74272.265.7 1
34Wisconsin - 2015 - Frank Kaminsky3.4226563.3 28
35Oregon - 2017 - Dillon Brooks2.74371.969.9 50
36North Carolina - 1998 - Vince Carter2.72180.783.7 4
37Arizona - 2015 - Stanley Johnson2.63175.370.5 49
38Michigan - 1965 - Cazzie Russell2.62185.779 13
39Syracuse - 2003 - Carmelo Anthony2.3217674 23
40Iowa - 2021 - Luka Garza21179.570.5play 110
41Cincinnati - 2002 - Jason Maxiell1.92272.871.5 17
42Oklahoma - 1985 - Wayman Tisdale1.93175.373.8 20
43Connecticut - 1999 - Richard Hamilton1.50260.573play 154
44Missouri - 1982 - Steve Stipanovich1.52069.565.5play 129
45Loyola Marymount - 1990 - Bo Kimble1.412112.3108.3  
46Illinois - 1989 - Nick Anderson1.4218784 6
47Florida - 2006 - Joakim Noah1.35374.472  
48Michigan - 1989 - Glen Rice1.30270.578.5play 113
49Indiana - 1981 - Isaiah Thomas1.32172.772.3 5
50Arizona - 1997 - Mike Bibby12168.771 49
51Michigan St. - 2009 - Draymond Green0.96371.371.9 15
52Loyola-Chicago - 1963 - Jerry Harkness0.6016268play 2 
53Seton Hall - 1989 - John Morton0.5117878play 1 
54Georgetown - 1984 - Patrick Ewing0.42167.365.3 42
55Texas Tech - 2019 - Jarrett Culver0.33265.667.2  
56Michigan - 2013 - Trey Burke0.31270.369.7 13
57LSU - 1992 - Shaquille O'Neal0.21182.581play 1 
58San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell0016774play 2 
59USC - 2021 - Evan Mobley0107767play 225
60Syracuse - 1987 - Rony Seikaly-0.32172.368.7 23
61Jacksonville - 1970 - Artis Gilmore-0.3117875play 1 
62Ohio St. - 2007 - Greg Oden-0.42370.271.4 9
63Colorado - 2021 - McKinley Wright-0.6108682play 251
64Pittsburgh - 2009 - DeJuan Blair-0.8136062.3 60
65Purdue - 1969 - Rick Mount-0.8018687play 28
66Duke - 1986 - Johnny Dawkins-101106108play 27
67Georgia Tech - 2004 - Jarrett Jack-1.12362.667.4  
68Georgetown - 2007 - Roy Hibbert-1.41276.775.3 42
69UTEP (Texas Western) - 1966 - Bobby Joe Hill-1.42163.766  
70Kansas - 1957 - Wilt Chamberlain-1.51167.574play 1 
71Dayton - 2020 - Obi Toppin-1.6108782play 248
72Marquette - 2003 - Dwyane Wade-2.42273.374 24
73Marquette - 1977 - Butch Lee-2.8116661.5play 124
74St. John's - 1985 - Chris Mullin-2.8017576play 216
75San Diego St. - 2011 - Kawhi Leonard-2.92269.371.8  
76Marquette - 1971 - Jim Chones-2.9127072.7 24
77Oklahoma St. - 2004 - John Lucas-3.11368.871 18
78Maryland - 1984 - Len Bias-3.21169.568.5play 138
79Kansas St. - 2008 - Michael Beasley-3.3117575.5play 127
80South Carolina - 2017 - Sindarius Thornwell-3.41265.365.7  
81UNLV - 1987 - Armen Gilliam-3.4016482play 258
82Kentucky - 1948 - Alex Groza-3.8117181.5play 11
83Indiana - 2002 - Jared Jeffries-3.91367.372.8 5
84Maryland - 2002 - Juan Dixon-4136776.3 38
85St. Joe's - 2004 - Jameer Nelson-4.31268.375.7 56
86Oklahoma - 2016 - Buddy Hield-4.41360.367.3 20
87West Virginia - 2010 - Kevin Jones-4.61370.376 36
88Utah - 1998 - Andre Miller-4.6016979play 219
89Oklahoma St. - 1946 - Bob Kurland-5018082play 218
90St. Bonaventure - 1970 - Bob Lanier-5016474play 2 
91UCLA - 2006 - Jordan Farmar-5.2236672.4 2
92Holy Cross - 1950 - Bob Cousy-5.2118889.5play 1 
93DePaul - 1945 - George Mikan-5.2015155play 226
94Georgia Tech - 1990 - Dennis Scott-5.2016482play 2 
95Iowa - 2002 - Reggie Evans-5.3127175.3 10
96Texas - 2003 - T.J. Ford-5.31268.776.3 47
97Virginia - 1981 - Ralph Sampson-5.4016172play 2 
98Tennessee - 1977 - Bernard King-5.7117683play 133
99California - 1959 - Jack Grout-5.8016971play 234
100Seattle - 1958 - Elgin Baylor-6.2016264play 2 
101LSU - 2006 - Glen Davis-6.41266.375  
102Wichita St. - 2013 - Fred VanVleet-6.41264.371.3  
103Alabama - 1977 - Reggie King-6.6017071play 243
104Davidson - 2008 - Stephen Curry-6.91566.770.8  
105Marquette - 2011 - Jimmy Butler-7018287play 224
106Notre Dame - 1981 - Orlando Woolridge-7016874play 212
107Kansas - 1988 - Danny Manning-7.6015867play 23
108Indiana St. - 1979 - Larry Bird-7.8016976play 2 
109Stephen F Austin - 2016 - Thomas Walkup-8019495play 2 
110Notre Dame - 1970 - Austin Carr-8.2116776.5play 112
111La Salle - 1954 - Tom Gola-8.2016776play 2 
112South Carolina - 1973 - Mike Dunleavy-8.2016672play 2 
113Wyoming - 1943 - Ken Sailors-8.2016073play 2 
114Auburn - 1984 - Charles Barkley-8.31171.577play 1 
115West Virginia - 1959 - Jerry West-8.4016869play 236
116Brigham Young - 1981 - Danny Ainge-8.6016777play 241
117Kentucky - 1970 - Dan Issel-8.601116138play 21
118North Carolina - 1957 - Lennie Rosenbluth-8.6017689play 24
119Navy - 1986 - David Robinson-9016177play 2 
120Villanova - 1985 - Ed Pinckney-9.2016572play 221
121Wake Forest - 2005 - Chris Paul-9.30364.385.3 37
122Arkansas - 1978 - Sidney Moncrief-9.6015879play 232
123Creighton - 2014 - Doug McDermott-9.70366.380  
124Georgia - 1982 - Dominique Wilkins-9.7117078play 1 
125George Mason - 2006 - Jai Lewis-9.90359.367  
126Arizona St. - 1980 - Byron Scott-10016479play 2 
127Creighton - 2020 - Ty-Shon Alexander-10.20172106play 2 
128Louisville - 1980 - Darrell Griffith-10.4015282play 211
129Dayton - 1967 - Don May-11016988play 248
130Butler - 2010 - Gordon Hayward-130354.776.3  
131LSU - 1970 - Pete Maravich-13016667play 2 
132Princeton - 1965 - Bill Bradley-13016279play 2 
133VCU - 2011 - Bradford Burgess-13.30360.371.3  
134Loyola-Chicago - 2018 - Cameron Krutwig-13.90359.375  
135Miami FL - 1965 - Rick Berry-14.601104108play 2 
136Niagara - 1970 - Calvin Murphy-16.6016884play 2 
 Minnesota - will add 1977      14
 Stanford      30
 Temple      31
 Washington      35
 Bradley      39
 Oregon St.      40
 Western Kentucky      44
 Alabama-Birmingham      45
 Vanderbilt      46
 Iowa St.      52
 Saint Louis      53
 Nebraska      57
 Xavier      59

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