Top 200 All-Time Value Add Basketball Teams

We went through all colleges not yet represented in our Value Add Basketball Game, and picked another 16 to get us to an even 200 teams. We have not created those 16 teams yet, but based on their SRS and how far they went in the tournament - and finally if it was part of multiple runs in the tournament. Based on those ratings, we ranked those 16 among the 184 already ranked to come up with this updated Top 200. 

This also includes the latest games including Wilt Chamberlain and Kansas 1957 moving into the top 50 all-time after a narrow win, though they are still behind two other Kansas teams - the 1997 squad that ranks 2nd behind only Bill Walton's UCLA team, and the 2008 squad of Mario Chalmers that ranks 8th all-time. Here is the whole list.

The following are the 16 new schools represented in the rankings that do not yet have player cards in the game - Massachusetts 1996, Oregon St. 1982, Temple 1958, Tulsa 2000, Bradley 1950, Drake 1969, New Mexico St. 1970, Western Kentucky 1966, Charlotte 1977, New Mexico 1974, Santa Clara 1969, Buffalo 2019, Long Beach St. 1972, Nevada 2005, Richmond 2011 and Washington St. 2008.

 

Rnk	Row Labels	Rate	Won	Lost	Score	Allow	2025 Conference
1	UCLA - 1972 - Bill Walton	14.7	6	0	72	62	Ranks 1 of 32 great B10 teams
2	Kansas - 1997 - Paul Pierce	13	5	0	76.8	62.4	Ranks 1 of 27 great B12 teams
3	Duke - 2001 - Shane Battier	12.3	3	1	78.3	72.5	Ranks 1 of 35 great ACC teams
4	Ohio St. - 1960 - Jerry Lucas	11.8	2	1	84	76.3	Ranks 2 of 32 great B10 teams
5	Indiana - 1976 - Scott May	11.1	3	1	71.3	59.8	Ranks 3 of 32 great B10 teams
6	Houston - 1968 - Elvin Hayes	10.1	3	1	73	63.8	Ranks 2 of 27 great B12 teams
7	North Carolina - 1982 - Michael Jordan	10	5	1	68.8	65	Ranks 2 of 35 great ACC teams
8	Kansas - 2008 - Mario Chalmers	9.8	5	1	74.7	56	Ranks 3 of 27 great B12 teams
9	Kentucky - 1996 - Antoine Walker	9.7	2	1	72	69.3	Ranks 1 of 29 great SEC teams
10	North Carolina - 2005 - Sean May	9.1	3	2	72.2	64.4	Ranks 3 of 35 great ACC teams
11	Arkansas - 1994 - Corliss Williamson	8.2	1	2	75.3	70.3	Ranks 2 of 29 great SEC teams
12	Villanova - 2018 - Mikal Bridges	7.9	7	2	79.4	70.3	Ranks 1 of 25 great BE teams
13	Connecticut - 2023 - Adama Sanogo	7.8	2	0	78.5	58	Ranks 2 of 25 great BE teams
14	Connecticut - 2004 - Ben Gordon	7.5	5	2	74.7	66	Ranks 3 of 25 great BE teams
15	Baylor - 2021 - Jared Butler	7.4	2	2	86	78.5	Ranks 4 of 27 great B12 teams
16	Virginia - 2019 - Kyle Guy	7.4	4	1	72.6	65.4	Ranks 4 of 35 great ACC teams
17	Louisville - 2013 - Russ Smith	7.3	2	1	74	66.3	Ranks 5 of 35 great ACC teams
18	Gonzaga - 2017 - Nigel Williams-Goss	6.8	3	3	69.8	63	Ranks 1 of 6 great WCC teams
19	Kentucky - 2012 - Anthony Davis	6.6	4	2	72.2	65.7	Ranks 3 of 29 great SEC teams
20	Duke - 1992 - Christian Laettner	6.5	1	2	73.7	70.3	Ranks 6 of 35 great ACC teams
21	North Carolina St. - 1974 - David Thompson	6.5	2	1	72	72.7	Ranks 7 of 35 great ACC teams
22	DePaul - 1980 - Mark Aguirre	6.4	3	1	76.8	68.8	Ranks 4 of 25 great BE teams
23	Duke - 2010 - Jon Scheyer	6.4	5	2	74	66.7	Ranks 8 of 35 great ACC teams
24	Houston - 1983 - Hakeem Olajuwon	5.8	2	1	70.7	65	Ranks 5 of 27 great B12 teams
25	Michigan St. - 1979 - Magic Johnson	5.8	2	1	70.3	62.7	Ranks 4 of 32 great B10 teams
26	Cincinnati - 1960 - Oscar Robertson	5.7	1	2	72.3	78	Ranks 6 of 27 great B12 teams
27	Michigan - 1965 - Cazzie Russell	5.5	2	1	85.7	79	Ranks 5 of 32 great B10 teams
28	Purdue - 2018 - Carsen Edwards	5.1	4	1	71.2	68.8	Ranks 6 of 32 great B10 teams
29	Auburn - 2019 - Chuma Okeke	4.2	8	1	71	65.3	Ranks 4 of 29 great SEC teams
30	UCLA - 1967 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	4.2	2	1	83	87	Ranks 7 of 32 great B10 teams
31	Illinois - 2005 - Deron Williams	4	3	2	72	69.6	Ranks 8 of 32 great B10 teams
32	Loyola Marymount - 1990 - Bo Kimble	3.9	1	2	112.3	108.3	Ranks 2 of 6 great WCC teams
33	Georgetown - 1984 - Patrick Ewing	3.7	2	1	67.3	65.3	Ranks 5 of 25 great BE teams
34	Rutgers - 1976 - Phil Sellers	3.6	2	0	90.5	75.5	Ranks 9 of 32 great B10 teams
35	Michigan St. - 2000 - Mateen Cleaves	3.5	4	1	79.6	77.2	Ranks 10 of 32 great B10 teams
36	Wake Forest - 1996 - Tim Duncan	3.3	2	1	66	64.7	Ranks 9 of 35 great ACC teams
37	Massachusetts - 1996 - Marcus Camby	3	0	0	0	0	Ranks 1 of 13 great A10 teams
38	Oregon - 2017 - Dillon Brooks	2.9	4	3	71.9	69.9	Ranks 11 of 32 great B10 teams
39	Wisconsin - 2015 - Frank Kaminsky	2.9	2	2	65	63.3	Ranks 12 of 32 great B10 teams
40	UNLV - 1991 - Larry Johnson	2.8	1	2	72.7	76.3	Ranks 1 of 7 great MWC teams
41	Syracuse - 2003 - Carmelo Anthony	2.7	2	1	76	74	Ranks 10 of 35 great ACC teams
42	Memphis - 2008 - Derrick Rose	2.4	4	2	68.7	65.8	Ranks 1 of 6 great Amer teams
43	Indiana - 1981 - Isaiah Thomas	2.3	2	1	72.7	72.3	Ranks 13 of 32 great B10 teams
44	Oklahoma - 1985 - Wayman Tisdale	2.1	3	1	75.3	73.8	Ranks 5 of 29 great SEC teams
45	Oregon St. - 1982 - AC Green	2	0	0	0	0	Ranks 1 of 2 great P12 teams
46	Kansas - 1957 - Wilt Chamberlain	1.8	2	1	68.7	72.3	Ranks 7 of 27 great B12 teams
47	UTEP (Texas Western) - 1966 - Bobby Joe Hill	1.8	2	1	63.7	66	Ranks 1 of 14 great Low (CUSA) teams
48	Duke - 2015 - Justise Winslow	1.6	2	0	75	72.5	Ranks 11 of 35 great ACC teams
49	Houston - 2021 - Quentin Grimes	1.6	1	0	102	50	Ranks 8 of 27 great B12 teams
50	Jacksonville - 1970 - Artis Gilmore	1.6	1	1	78	75	Ranks 2 of 14 great Low (Asun) teams
51	Tennessee - 2023 - Santiago Vescovi	1.6	1	0	75	67	Ranks 6 of 29 great SEC teams
52	Cincinnati - 2002 - Jason Maxiell	1.6	2	2	72.8	71.5	Ranks 9 of 27 great B12 teams
53	Florida - 2006 - Joakim Noah	1.5	5	3	74.4	72	Ranks 7 of 29 great SEC teams
54	USC - 2021 - Evan Mobley	1.3	2	1	73.7	70.7	Ranks 14 of 32 great B10 teams
55	Michigan St. - 2009 - Draymond Green	1.3	6	3	71.3	71.9	Ranks 15 of 32 great B10 teams
56	Arizona - 2015 - Stanley Johnson	1.1	3	1	75.3	70.5	Ranks 10 of 27 great B12 teams
57	Syracuse - 1987 - Rony Seikaly	1	2	1	72.3	68.7	Ranks 12 of 35 great ACC teams
58	Illinois - 1989 - Nick Anderson	0.8	2	1	87	84	Ranks 16 of 32 great B10 teams
59	North Carolina - 1998 - Vince Carter	0.7	2	1	80.7	83.7	Ranks 13 of 35 great ACC teams
60	Michigan - 1989 - Glen Rice	0.6	0	2	70.5	78.5	Ranks 17 of 32 great B10 teams
61	Seton Hall - 1989 - John Morton	0.6	1	1	78	78	Ranks 6 of 25 great BE teams
62	Colorado - 2021 - McKinley Wright	0.6	3	0	82.3	78	Ranks 11 of 27 great B12 teams
63	Marquette - 2023 - Tyler Kolek	0.5	2	1	85.7	83	Ranks 7 of 25 great BE teams
64	Duke - 2022 - Wendell Moore	0.5	2	1	80.3	76	Ranks 14 of 35 great ACC teams
65	Kansas - 2022 - Ochai Agbaji	0.4	1	0	87	81	Ranks 12 of 27 great B12 teams
66	SMU - 2017 - Semi Ojeleye	0.4	1	0	77	64	Ranks 15 of 35 great ACC teams
67	San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell	0.4	0	1	67	74	Ranks 3 of 6 great WCC teams
68	Michigan - 2013 - Trey Burke	0.3	1	2	70.3	69.7	Ranks 18 of 32 great B10 teams
69	Gonzaga - 2023 - Drew Timme	0.2	1	0	86	74	Ranks 4 of 6 great WCC teams
70	Arizona - 1997 - Mike Bibby	0	2	1	68.7	71	Ranks 13 of 27 great B12 teams
71	Iowa - 2021 - Luka Garza	0	1	1	79.5	70.5	Ranks 19 of 32 great B10 teams
72	Loyola-Chicago - 1963 - Jerry Harkness	0	0	1	62	68	Ranks 2 of 13 great A10 teams
73	Temple - 1958 - Guy Rodgers	0	0	0	0	0	Ranks 2 of 6 great Amer teams
74	Texas Tech - 2019 - Jarrett Culver	0	3	2	65.6	67.2	Ranks 14 of 27 great B12 teams
75	Tulsa - 2000 - Eric Coley	0	0	0	0	0	Ranks 3 of 6 great Amer teams
76	Xavier - 2023 - Jack Nunge	0	1	0	83	68	Ranks 8 of 25 great BE teams
77	Texas - 2023 - Marcus Carr	-0.2	2	0	90.5	87	Ranks 8 of 29 great SEC teams
78	North Carolina - 2022 - Armando Bacot	-0.5	2	0	80.5	68	Ranks 16 of 35 great ACC teams
79	Ohio St. - 2007 - Greg Oden	-0.5	2	3	70.2	71.4	Ranks 20 of 32 great B10 teams
80	Kentucky - 1948 - Alex Groza	-0.6	1	1	71	81.5	Ranks 9 of 29 great SEC teams
81	Pittsburgh - 2009 - DeJuan Blair	-0.7	1	3	60	62.3	Ranks 17 of 35 great ACC teams
82	Marquette - 1977 - Butch Lee	-0.8	1	1	66	61.5	Ranks 9 of 25 great BE teams
83	Marquette - 2003 - Dwyane Wade	-0.9	2	2	73.3	74	Ranks 10 of 25 great BE teams
84	Bradley - 1950 - Elmer Behnke	-1	0	0	0	0	Ranks 1 of 4 great MVC teams
85	Drake - 1969 - Willie McCarter	-1	0	0	0	0	Ranks 2 of 4 great MVC teams
86	New Mexico St. - 1970 - Jimmy Collins	-1	0	0	0	0	Ranks 3 of 14 great Low (CUSA) teams
87	Providence - 1987 - Billy Donovan	-1	0	0	0	0	Ranks 11 of 25 great BE teams
88	Vanderbilt - 1993 - Bill McCaffrey	-1	0	0	0	0	Ranks 10 of 29 great SEC teams
89	Georgia Tech - 2004 - Jarrett Jack	-1.1	2	3	62.6	67.4	Ranks 18 of 35 great ACC teams
90	Minnesota - 1977 - Kevin McHale	-1.2	1	1	69.5	68.5	Ranks 21 of 32 great B10 teams
91	Georgetown - 2007 - Roy Hibbert	-1.3	1	2	76.7	75.3	Ranks 12 of 25 great BE teams
92	Maryland - 1984 - Len Bias	-1.4	1	1	69.5	68.5	Ranks 22 of 32 great B10 teams
93	Duke - 1986 - Johnny Dawkins	-1.5	0	1	106	108	Ranks 19 of 35 great ACC teams
94	Creighton - 2023 - Ryan Kalkbrenner	-1.6	1	1	86	86	Ranks 13 of 25 great BE teams
95	Missouri - 1982 - Steve Stipanovich	-1.7	2	1	73.7	73.3	Ranks 11 of 29 great SEC teams
96	Indiana St. - 1979 - Larry Bird	-1.8	1	2	79.7	81	Ranks 3 of 4 great MVC teams
97	California - 1959 - Jack Grout	-2	0	1	69	71	Ranks 20 of 35 great ACC teams
98	Charlotte - 1977 - Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell	-2	0	0	0	0	Ranks 4 of 6 great Amer teams
99	Holy Cross - 1950 - Bob Cousy	-2	1	1	88	89.5	Ranks 5 of 14 great Low (Pat) teams
100	LSU - 1992 - Shaquille O'Neal	-2	1	1	82.5	81	Ranks 12 of 29 great SEC teams
101	Texas A&M - 2007 - Acie Law	-2	0	0	0	0	Ranks 13 of 29 great SEC teams
102	Western Kentucky - 1966 - Clem Haskins	-2	0	0	0	0	Ranks 4 of 14 great Low (CUSA) teams
103	Connecticut - 1999 - Richard Hamilton	-2.2	0	2	60.5	73	Ranks 14 of 25 great BE teams
104	St. John's - 1985 - Chris Mullin	-2.8	0	1	75	76	Ranks 15 of 25 great BE teams
105	Kansas St. - 2023 - Markquis Nowell	-2.8	1	1	81	74	Ranks 15 of 27 great B12 teams
106	San Diego St. - 2011 - Kawhi Leonard	-2.9	2	2	69.3	71.8	Ranks 2 of 7 great MWC teams
107	Alabama - 2023 - Brandon Miller	-3	0	1	78	79	Ranks 14 of 29 great SEC teams
108	Kansas St. - 2008 - Michael Beasley	-3	1	1	75	75.5	Ranks 16 of 27 great B12 teams
109	Marquette - 1971 - Jim Chones	-3	1	2	70	72.7	Ranks 16 of 25 great BE teams
110	New Mexico - 1974 - Bernard Hardin	-3	0	0	0	0	Ranks 3 of 7 great MWC teams
111	Seattle - 1958 - Elgin Baylor	-3	0	1	62	64	Ranks 6 of 14 great Low (WAC) teams
112	Purdue - 1969 - Rick Mount	-3.3	0	1	86	87	Ranks 23 of 32 great B10 teams
113	Oklahoma St. - 2004 - John Lucas	-3.3	1	3	68.8	71	Ranks 17 of 27 great B12 teams
114	South Carolina - 2017 - Sindarius Thornwell	-3.3	1	2	65.3	65.7	Ranks 15 of 29 great SEC teams
115	Stanford - 2008 - Brook Lopez	-3.5	2	1	79.7	79	Ranks 21 of 35 great ACC teams
116	Virginia - 1981 - Ralph Sampson	-3.8	0	1	61	72	Ranks 22 of 35 great ACC teams
117	Dayton - 2020 - Obi Toppin	-3.8	1	1	81.5	80.5	Ranks 3 of 13 great A10 teams
118	Mississippi - 2001 - Justin Reed	-4	0	0	0	0	Ranks 16 of 29 great SEC teams
119	Indiana - 2002 - Jared Jeffries	-4	1	3	67.3	72.8	Ranks 24 of 32 great B10 teams
120	Santa Clara - 1969 - Dennis Awtrey	-4	0	0	0	0	Ranks 5 of 6 great WCC teams
121	South Carolina - 1973 - Mike Dunleavy	-4	0	1	66	72	Ranks 17 of 29 great SEC teams
122	Iowa St. - 2014 - DeAndre Kane	-4.2	1	1	73	75.5	Ranks 18 of 27 great B12 teams
123	Tennessee - 1977 - Bernard King	-4.2	1	1	76	83	Ranks 18 of 29 great SEC teams
124	Alabama - 1977 - Reggie King	-4.3	0	1	70	71	Ranks 19 of 29 great SEC teams
125	St. Bonaventure - 1970 - Bob Lanier	-4.3	0	1	64	74	Ranks 4 of 13 great A10 teams
126	Maryland - 2002 - Juan Dixon	-4.3	1	3	67	76.3	Ranks 25 of 32 great B10 teams
127	Miami - 2023 - Norchad Omier	-4.3	2	0	88.5	87.5	Ranks 23 of 35 great ACC teams
128	DePaul - 1945 - George Mikan	-4.8	0	1	51	55	Ranks 17 of 25 great BE teams
129	Florida St. - 1993 - Charlie Ward	-4.8	0	1	76	78	Ranks 24 of 35 great ACC teams
130	La Salle - 1954 - Tom Gola	-4.8	0	1	67	76	Ranks 5 of 13 great A10 teams
131	UNLV - 1987 - Armen Gilliam	-4.8	0	1	64	82	Ranks 4 of 7 great MWC teams
132	West Virginia - 1959 - Jerry West	-4.8	0	1	68	69	Ranks 19 of 27 great B12 teams
133	Oklahoma - 2016 - Buddy Hield	-4.9	1	3	60.3	67.3	Ranks 20 of 29 great SEC teams
134	Buffalo - 2019 - Jeenathan Williams	-5	0	0	0	0	Ranks 8 of 14 great Low (MAC) teams
135	Long Beach St. - 1972 - Ed Ratleff	-5	0	0	0	0	Ranks 7 of 14 great Low (BW) teams
136	St. Joe's - 2004 - Jameer Nelson	-5	1	2	68.3	75.7	Ranks 6 of 13 great A10 teams
137	St. Mary's - 2023 - Logan Johnson	-5	1	1	83	84	Ranks 6 of 6 great WCC teams
138	UCLA - 2006 - Jordan Farmar	-5	2	3	66	72.4	Ranks 26 of 32 great B10 teams
139	VCU - 1985 - Calvin Duncan	-5	0	0	0	0	Ranks 7 of 13 great A10 teams
140	North Carolina - 1957 - Lennie Rosenbluth	-5.3	0	1	76	89	Ranks 25 of 35 great ACC teams
141	Notre Dame - 1981 - Orlando Woolridge	-5.3	0	1	68	74	Ranks 26 of 35 great ACC teams
142	Washington - 2006 - Brandon Roy	-5.3	0	1	98	99	Ranks 27 of 32 great B10 teams
143	West Virginia - 2010 - Kevin Jones	-5.3	1	3	70.3	76	Ranks 20 of 27 great B12 teams
144	Notre Dame - 1970 - Austin Carr	-5.8	1	1	67	76.5	Ranks 27 of 35 great ACC teams
145	Iowa - 2001 - Reggie Evans	-6	1	2	71	75.3	Ranks 28 of 32 great B10 teams
146	Miami - 2013 - Shane Larkin	-6	0	1	67	75	Ranks 28 of 35 great ACC teams
147	Nevada - 2005 - Kirk Snyder	-6	0	0	0	0	Ranks 5 of 7 great MWC teams
148	Texas - 2003 - T.J. Ford	-6	1	2	68.7	76.3	Ranks 21 of 29 great SEC teams
149	Wichita St. - 2013 - Fred VanVleet	-6.3	1	2	64.3	71.3	Ranks 5 of 6 great Amer teams
150	Davidson - 2008 - Stephen Curry	-6.4	1	5	66.7	70.8	Ranks 8 of 13 great A10 teams
151	Brigham Young - 1981 - Danny Ainge	-6.5	0	1	67	77	Ranks 21 of 27 great B12 teams
152	Virginia Tech - 1986 - Dell Curry	-6.7	0	1	81	87	Ranks 29 of 35 great ACC teams
153	Georgia Tech - 1990 - Dennis Scott	-6.8	0	1	64	82	Ranks 30 of 35 great ACC teams
154	LSU - 2006 - Glen Davis	-6.8	1	2	66.3	75	Ranks 22 of 29 great SEC teams
155	Seton Hall - 2020 - Myles Powell	-6.9	0	1	78	80	Ranks 18 of 25 great BE teams
156	Marquette - 2011 - Jimmy Butler	-7	0	1	82	87	Ranks 19 of 25 great BE teams
157	TCU - 2023 - JaKobe Coles	-7.3	0	1	77	79	Ranks 22 of 27 great B12 teams
158	Utah - 1998 - Andre Miller	-7.5	0	1	69	79	Ranks 23 of 27 great B12 teams
159	Marquette - 1994 - Jim McIlvaine	-7.7	1	1	70	80.5	Ranks 20 of 25 great BE teams
160	Boston College - 2006 - Jared Dudley	-7.8	0	1	72	76	Ranks 31 of 35 great ACC teams
161	Dayton - 1967 - Don May	-7.8	0	1	69	88	Ranks 9 of 13 great A10 teams
162	Arizona St. - 1980 - Byron Scott	-8	0	1	64	79	Ranks 24 of 27 great B12 teams
163	Kansas - 1988 - Danny Manning	-8	0	1	58	67	Ranks 25 of 27 great B12 teams
164	Richmond - 2011 - Justin Harper	-8	0	0	0	0	Ranks 10 of 13 great A10 teams
165	UCLA - 2021 - Jaime Jaquez	-8	0	1	81	90	Ranks 29 of 32 great B10 teams
166	Arkansas - 1978 - Sidney Moncrief	-8.3	0	1	58	79	Ranks 23 of 29 great SEC teams
167	Auburn - 1984 - Charles Barkley	-8.4	1	1	71.5	77	Ranks 24 of 29 great SEC teams
168	Clemson - 1987 - Horace Grant	-8.5	0	1	77	97	Ranks 32 of 35 great ACC teams
169	Navy - 1986 - David Robinson	-8.5	0	1	61	77	Ranks 9 of 14 great Low (Pat) teams
170	Oklahoma St. - 1946 - Bob Kurland	-8.5	0	1	80	82	Ranks 26 of 27 great B12 teams
171	Penn St. - 2018 - Tony Carr	-8.5	0	1	82	90	Ranks 30 of 32 great B10 teams
172	Wyoming - 1943 - Ken Sailors	-8.5	0	1	60	73	Ranks 6 of 7 great MWC teams
173	Central Florida - 2019 - Joey Graham	-8.8	0	1	70	74	Ranks 27 of 27 great B12 teams
174	Arkansas - 2021 - JD Notae	-9	0	1	68	83	Ranks 25 of 29 great SEC teams
175	Washington St. - 2008 - Taylor Rochestie	-9	0	0	0	0	Ranks 2 of 2 great P12 teams
176	Louisville - 1980 - Darrell Griffith	-9.3	0	1	52	82	Ranks 33 of 35 great ACC teams
177	Nebraska - 2014 - Terran Petteway	-9.3	0	1	72	75	Ranks 31 of 32 great B10 teams
178	Villanova - 1985 - Ed Pinckney	-9.3	0	1	65	72	Ranks 21 of 25 great BE teams
179	San Diego St. - 2023 - Jaedon LeDee	-9.5	0	1	78	84	Ranks 7 of 7 great MWC teams
180	Georgia - 1982 - Dominique Wilkins	-9.6	1	1	70	78	Ranks 26 of 29 great SEC teams
181	George Mason - 2006 - Jai Lewis	-9.7	0	3	59.3	67	Ranks 11 of 13 great A10 teams
182	Kentucky - 1970 - Dan Issel	-9.8	0	1	116	138	Ranks 27 of 29 great SEC teams
183	Marquette - 1955 - Terry Rand	-9.8	0	1	74	86	Ranks 22 of 25 great BE teams
184	Florida Atlantic - 2023 - Johnell Davis	-10	0	1	64	77	Ranks 6 of 6 great Amer teams
185	Mississippi St. - 2005 - Lawrence Roberts	-10	0	1	69	71	Ranks 28 of 29 great SEC teams
186	Wake Forest - 2005 - Chris Paul	-10	0	3	64.3	85.3	Ranks 34 of 35 great ACC teams
187	Creighton - 2020 - Ty-Shon Alexander	-10.3	0	1	72	106	Ranks 23 of 25 great BE teams
188	Creighton - 2014 - Doug McDermott	-10.5	0	3	66.3	80	Ranks 24 of 25 great BE teams
189	Northwestern - 2017 - Vic Law	-10.5	0	1	70	85	Ranks 32 of 32 great B10 teams
190	Princeton - 1965 - Bill Bradley	-10.5	0	1	62	79	Ranks 10 of 14 great Low (Ivy) teams
191	Miami - 1965 - rick barry	-11.3	0	1	104	108	Ranks 35 of 35 great ACC teams
192	Stephen f austin - 2016 - Thomas Walkup	-11.8	0	1	94	95	Ranks 11 of 14 great Low (WAC) teams
193	LSU - 1970 - Pete Maravich	-12.3	0	1	66	67	Ranks 29 of 29 great SEC teams
194	VCU - 2011 - Bradford Burgess	-13	0	3	60.3	71.3	Ranks 12 of 13 great A10 teams
195	Murray St. - 2019 - Ja Morant	-13.3	0	1	78	85	Ranks 4 of 4 great MVC teams
196	Butler - 2010 - Gordon Hayward	-13.7	0	3	54.7	76.3	Ranks 25 of 25 great BE teams
197	Loyola-Chicago - 2018 - Cameron Krutwig	-14	0	3	59.3	75	Ranks 13 of 13 great A10 teams
198	Niagara - 1970 - Calvin Murphy	-14.8	0	1	68	84	Ranks 12 of 14 great Low (MAAC) teams
199	Princeton - 2023 - Tosan Evbuomwan	-20.5	0	1	50	102	Ranks 13 of 14 great Low (Ivy) teams
200	St. Peter's - 2022 - Doug Edert	-22.3	0	1	39	77	Ranks 14 of 14 great Low (MAAC) teams

Chamberlain's Late Dunk Lets Kansas Survive Past MSU on Buzzer Beating Dunk, 71-69

One of our six new teams nearly started our latest 8-team tournament with an upset, as the 2005 Mississippi State's rotating 7-footers drew four fouls on Wilt Chamberlain. A 3-pointer from Lawrence Roberts, a future NBA player who would hit 14 of 15 free throws to beat the Celtics in a game a couple of years later two weeks after going 8 of 11 from the floor at Denver to beat the Nuggets, made it 59-55 Mississippi State..

Roberts has 12 points and 7 rebounds and helped the two 7-footers hold Wilt to 20 and 11. Well below his averages.

Winsome Frazier hit a 3-pointer to start the game, and another one later, as the 1957 squad only had one 3-pointer the entire game. There were no 3-pointers in 1957, but we do estimate them based on various factors for those player cards. 

However, you will notice on Wilt's card that centers from the pre-3-pointer era have a spot for the traditional 3-point play on a basket while being fouled. That was a key to the rally in the closing minutes, as Kansas did have a big edge on the boards. Despite the four fouls, Wilt scored off an offensive rebound and was fouled, hitting the free throw to make it 60-59 Kansas with 9 possessions 5 minutes to go), and John Parker added a traditional 3-point play later while Gene Elstun kept several possessions alive with offensive rebounds.

Still on the next to late possession Wilt missed two free throws to leave the game tied 69-69, but he grabbed a rebound on the final Mississippi State possession and dunked at the other end for the 71-69 survival to the next round.

Note that the Kansas Dunk Range was 51-56, while they held Mississippi State to a Stop range of 51-52, meaning those two rolls were an automatic missed shot for the player with the ball and defensive rebound. That is arrived at by a table in the Value Add Basketball Game rules, where Kansas dunk range of 51-58 combined with the MSU defense range of +1 for a 51-61 on the chart. Meanwhile the Mississippi State dunk range of 51-55 adjusted by the Kansas defense range of -6 results in a 51-51 STOP range. However, you are always allowed to adjust the teams dunk range by the same amount before the game and we prefer to keep the ranges both in the 50s if possible. In this case taking away one dunk number from Kansas to make them 51-56 is done along with making MSU's dunk range one worse as well - in this case increasing it to a STOP range of 51-52.

The dunk range is essential for every game because it not only adjusts for level of competition but also for eras. In the 1950s shooting percentages were much lower than today, and of course the 3-pointer wasn't in place though we do estimate ranges.

 

Pos	Mississippi St. 2005	Pts	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Ht	Actual Season
1-PG	Gary Ervin	11	1	1	0	2	6'0	7.4 Pts, 2.4 Reb, 4.7 Ast
2-SG	Ontario Harper	11	5	1	0	2	6'5	8.7 Pts, 4.9 Reb, 1.2 Ast
3-SF	Shane Power	8	4	0	0	4	6'5	11.1 Pts, 4.1 Reb, 2.4 Ast
4-PF	Lawrence Roberts	12	7	2	0	2	6'9	16.9 Pts, 11.0 Reb, 1.9 Ast
5-C	Marcus Campbell	6	5	0	3	2	7'0	6.0 Pts, 5.0 Reb, 0.3 Ast
1-PG	Jamall Edmondson	2	2	0	0	1	5'9	4.8 Pts, 1.1 Reb, 1.3 Ast
2-SG	Winsome Frazier	8	5	1	0	3	6'4	12.3 Pts, 3.5 Reb, 1.0 Ast
3-SF	Dietric Slater	4	1	0	0	3	6'3	3.3 Pts, 2.1 Reb, 0.9 Ast
4-PF	Walter Sharpe	5	4	0	1	1	6'9	2.4 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.5 Ast
5-C	Wesley Morgan	2	2	0	0	2	7'2	1.9 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.2 Ast
	Bulldogs Totals	69	36	5	4	22		11 Turnovers in Game
Pos	Kansas 1957	Pts	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl		Actual Season
1-PG	John Parker	9	4	1	0	2	6'0	5.5 Pts, 2.0 Reb
2-SG	Maurice King	7	5	1	0	2	6'2	9.7 Pts, 4.5 Reb
3-SF	Gene Elstun	14	8	1	0	1	6'3	11.3 Pts, 5.3 Reb
4-PF	Ron Loneski	8	4	0	1	3	6'4	9.6 Pts, 6.8 Reb
5-C	Wilt Chamberlain	20	11	0	3	4	7'1	29.6 Pts, 18.9 Reb
1-PG	John Cleland	2	1	0	0	1	6'3	2.0 Pts, 0.7 Reb
2-SG	Bob Billings	2	1	0	0	1	5'11	2.2 Pts, 0.9 Reb
3-SF	Larry Kelley	2	1	0	0	1	6'0	2.0 Pts, 2.0 Reb
4-PF	Monte Johnson	5	2	0	1	1	6'5	1.1 Pts, 1.5 Reb
5-C	Lew Johnson	2	3	0	1	1	6'6	3.0 Pts, 3.9 Reb
	Jayhawks Totals	71	40	3	6	17		10 Turnovers in Game

 The results of the tournament featuring our eight new teams in the Value Add Basketball Game features the most Mississippi State team to advance in the NCAA playing Wilt Chamberlain and the 1957 National Runners--up.

We will ad results after the game is played, but for the preview here are the two teams from the game. Here are the screen shots of the two teams. There are four lists of teams, so first we went to the google doc List B - Gonzaga 2017 to Marquette 2011 VABG Teams and printed page 17 with the Kansas squad below.  Then we went to List C - Marquette 2023 to San Francisco 1956 VABG Great Teams and printed page 18 below for Mississippi State.

Since we just posted the image of MSU 2005 and five other new teams here, I pulled back to show what you should see on your screen when you go to print. We recently posted the updated cards for the four greatest shot blockers of all time including Wilt Chamberlain on this post New Shot Block Category for Olajuwon, Chamberlain, Russell and the Admiral,  and below we added the rest of his team.

Kansas 1957 started our season ranked 20th all-time in the game, but dropped a good bit with a lopsided 57-80 loss to Elvin Hayes and Houston 1968, the one team that upset Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and UCLA in the "Game of the Century." They evened their record at 1-1 with a 78-68 win over Oklahoma State 2004, so return to that era to try to get a second straight win. 

This is the debut in the game for Mississippi State 2005, which does counter Wilt with two 7-footers and a few great outside shooters in Jamall Edmondson, Shane Power and Winsome Frazier. That combo destroyed Stanford and their three players 6'10 or taller 93-70 in the NCAA tournament before losing to Duke. The buzz on Stanford's campus that year on the only women's team to finish ranked No. 1, though they won the women's national title three other seasons included their 2021 team featured in our game.

Results will be pasted above when we have them.

Montgomery YMCA, VCU Franklin Street Gym and Brushes With Hoops Hero Memories in New Great Teams

A couple of the newest great teams added to the Value AddBasketball Game included a personal connection with a couple of new player cards int he game. We posted pictures of all the new player cards here. We track all scores between our 184 great teams from the reigning UConn champs to the 1943 champs from Wyoming. More than 71,000 unique sports simulation fans have visited the free game.

Mississippi State’s 2005 team that destroyed Stanford in the NCAA tournament before losing to Duke included great 3-point shooter Jamall Edmondson, who was my teammate a few years later when we won the Montgomery YMCA championships. Calvin Duncan from VCU’s 1985 championship team was the star in a win over Steph Curry’s dad and #16 Virginia Tech – a game I watched in person not realizing I was so excited to be there I had left my car running outside the Richmond Coliseum the entire couple of hours.

The reason for the new teams to take us to 184  was a discovery this weekend ...

On the day of the SEC Football Championship that would put Alabama in the football playoffs, I discovered I accidentally did not have all-time great basketball teams in place for four of the SEC schools – both Mississippi schools, Vanderbilt and Texas A&M. My apologies. I double checked again all 80 schools scheduled to have a team in the one of the Power Conferences after the 2024 alignment, and realized I also did not have a Big East Providence team in the game.

Since five is an odd number of teams, I also added the likely the greatest “Mid-Major” team not yet in the game, the 11^th ranked VCU squad that won a game in their 3^rd straight NCAA tournament in 1985. I put all six teams in a tournament with two teams who had just had card adjustments when the block ranges were adjusted for Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell, to form the following 8-team tournament so that all 184 teams will have played a game once we play these four.

Here are the match-ups and we explain what the numbers mean at the bottom of the blog.

Match-ups in our 8-team tournament to try out all my new cards: 

1-seed vs. 8-seed

#54/#20 - Kansas - 1957 - Wilt Chamberlain (1-1, ave score 67.5-74.0), Rating 1.2 vs.

#170/#174 - Mississippi St. - 2005 - Lawrence Roberts (0-0) Rating -10.0

While the ratings of +1.2 to -10 indicates Wilt Chamberlain’s 1957 National Runner-up squad would be about and 11-point favorite against the 2005 Mississippi squad, I could see this match-up giving MSU a chance if you could really play the game.

Mississippi State did have two 7-footers in Marcus Campbell and Wesley Morgan, which would let them foul Wilt 10 times to send him to the line where he was human at 62%.

More importantly with Wilt being one of four players in history with the best block range in the game, the 65 and 66 dice rolls reject only 2-point shots, so the fact that Jamall Edmondson has one of the best 3-points made range in the game (1-5 on the 20-sided die) and Winsome Frazier shot a lot more and had almost as good a range (1-4) including hitting 6 of 8 three-pointers to destroy Stanford 93-70 in March Madness you could see them getting hot.

Jamall’s favorite play in our YMCA championship occurred when I cut to the hoop for one of his always perfect passes, but he lobbed the ball too high – I thought … It turned out the lob was actually for one of our other teammates who was a foot above me cutting from the other side for an alley-oop dunk.

As for our 1-seed in this tournament, Wilt was stopped from winning the title by two coaches with Marquette ties. UNC’s Frank McGuire forced  Kansas into turnovers to hold them to only 53 points in a 3-overtime game for the 54-53 win in the 1957 championship game. The next year former Marquette coach Tex Winter used a triple team against Wilt including telling the team all three needed to follow Chamberlain everywhere he went, even (he joked) to the rest room to give K-State a big upset. Back then you had to win your conference to go to the tournament, so that loss in the regular season left #7 ranked Kansas out of the tournament in Wilt’s only other year as K-State went to the Final Four.

The winner of that game will get the winner of our 4-seed vs. 5-seed game:

#85/#74 - Providence - 1987 - Billy Donovan (0-0), Rating -1.0 vs.

#74/#86 - Texas A&M - 2007 - Acie Law   (0-0), Rating -2.0.

Our middle game features an unbelievable offense directed by two of the greatest coaches ever – Rick Pitino and his point guard and future coach Billy Donovan. Their SRS was lower than most great teams in the game, but then they made an incredible Final Four run with one of the best offenses ever.

Texas A&M is almost the opposite, a dominant defense that ground teams down and made every shot tough, and won at least one game in six straight NCAA tournaments as a model of consistency, including this team that went to the Sweet 16.

 

2-Seed vs 7-Seed

#74/#45 - San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell (0-1, ave score 67-74), Rating +1.0 vs.

#113/#146 -  Mississippi - 2002 - Justin Reed (0-0), Rating -6.0.

Wilt’s old foe the great Bill Russell also has one of the four greatest shot-blocking cards and did lose their one Value Add Basketball Game against the great Arizona 2015 team, where they fell short 67-74.

Justin Reed rolled in as a rare 5-star recruit for Mississippi, and in this first freshman season was the go-to guy who took the Rebels to one of only two Sweet 16s in their history and one of only two times they finished the season ranked in the top 20. Reed stayed all four years before going onto the NBA.

The winner of that game faces one of the following two teams, including one I know very well:

3-seed vs 6 Seed

#80/#73 - Vanderbilt - 1993 - Bill McCaffrey (0-0), Rating -1.0 vs.

#125/#135 - VCU - 1985 - Calvin Duncan (0-0), Rating -5.0.

Bill McCaffrey’s transfer from Duke to Vanderbilt as a former McDonald’s All-American ignited an incredible offense that averaged 83 points per game and a Sweet 16 run.  Bill clearly brought great genes to the court as his brother Ed won three Super Bowls with the Broncos.

I grew up a mile from VCU’s court as an avid fan, and years later would once score 31 points in their gym as the state’s Republican legislative aides beat the Democratic legislative aides 52-51 with refs and a scoreboard at Franklin Street Gym.

Calvin Duncan led VCU to opening round wins in three straight NCAA tournaments and gave scares to big conference teams in the second round each year – battling near the end against Georgia, Syracuse and Alabama in consecutive years but falling short of a Sweet 16. It was a lockdown defense and patience offense that held teams to 62 points per game. With all respect to the stunning VCU run under Shaka Smart 25 years later, this was by far the greatest team in VCU history – finishing the season ranked 11^th in the country, 12 points ahead of any other VCU team.

In Marquette intramurals I wore a "Cal" jersey, and once checked into the student health center on the way to a game to check out my ankles and knees. I was told to never play basketball again because at 20 years old my knee cartilage was already so worn. I took my crutches, walked five blocks to the gym, laid the crutches by the court and scored 21 points despite not being able to jump on my shots, and picked the crutches up and hobbled back home to throw ice in our tub and am still playing league ball at 58 years old.

VCUs coach JD Barnett focused the team on average points per trip down the court – basically fi 10guring out www.kenpom.com stats 17 years before they were calculated.

They were also ahead of their time with a stretch forward in 6-foot-8 Mike Schlegel who could pop out and hit what would later become a 3-pointer. Point guard Rolando Lamb battled Steph Curry’s dad Del for a win in the game I mentioned above watching without realizing I’d left my keys in the car. VCU closed the regular season by traveling to Memphis and battling them until near the end- a great showing that looked every better when Memphis went to the Final Four.

While no VCU player went to the NBA, Duncan was drafted but chose to join Athletes in Action, a Christian Group that played games to give their testimony at halftime. One NBA exec commented that they knew he was a good guy, but not THAT good. He is the pastor of Faith and Family Church in Richmond, Virginia.

This Sports Illustrated Story calculates Duncan hit 16 of 28 from 3-point range, and recounts him taking it inside to score on 7-foot-4 Ralph Sampson in a narrow 69-63 loss at #1 UVa. Their two points loss to Georgia in the second round on the NCAA was the only close game in Georgia's run to the Final 4 that year.

Explanation for making the cards:

For each match-up we list the team’s current rank among the all-time Value Add Basketball Game teams, followed by the rank based just on where we rank them based on how good their cards are. So Kansas is ranked #54 all-time now after starting 1-1, but we actually rank them as having the #20 best cards in the game. 

The “rating” after each team indicates how many points better or worse, we rank the team than the “average” great team. Understand the “average” great team is based on a team that is about +17 points better than the average team and made it to the Elite 8. We start with the SRS (Simple Rating System) based on scores and competition, then adjust up for a team that went past the Elite 8 or subtract for teams that did not make it that far, and we also adjust up for teams that provide thei were legit with multiple tournament runs.

6 New All-Time Great Value Add Basketball Teams Revealed

Today we present six new great all-time basketball teams to our Value Add Basketball Game, bringing our total to 184 all-time teams. You can click here to get the six new teams and play the free game.

Details on all six teams to follow, and we are putting them immediately in a tournament with Wilt Chamberlain's Kansas and Bill Russell's San Francisco and their new blocked shot ranges.