| Pos | Southern Illinois 1967 | Pts | 3pt | 2pt | FT | Att | Reb | Stl | Blk | Fl | Season Actual |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1-PG | Walt Frazier | 26 | 0 | 11 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 6'4, 45th best ever |
| 2-SG | Jay Westcott | 8 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 6'4,5.5 ppg |
| 3-SF | Willie Griffin | 8 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 6'3,10.8 ppg |
| 4-PF | Dick Garrett | 8 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 6'3,20.1 ppg |
| 5-C | Chuck Benson | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 6'4,11.9 ppg |
| 1-PG | Craig Taylor | 7 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 6'1,3.9 ppg |
| 2-SG | Bobby Jackson | 10 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'0,5.2 ppg |
| 14 Turnovers | 73 | 3 | 26 | 12 | 14 | 27 | 10 | 5 | 15 | ||
| Pos | LSU 1953 | Pts | 3pt | 2pt | FT | Att | Reb | Stl | Blk | Fl | Season Actual |
| 1-PG | Norman Magee | 5 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 5'11,13.3 ppg |
| 2-SG | Benny McArdle | 10 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 5'10,8.1 ppg |
| 3-SF | Don Belcher | 7 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 6'2,12.7 ppg |
| 4-PF | Bob Pettit | 36 | 1 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 6'9,31st best ever |
| 5-C | Ned Clark | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 6'5,9.7 ppg |
| 1-PG | Kenny Bridges | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5'11,1.7 ppg |
| 2-SG | Leslie Jones | 5 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6'2,2.5 ppg |
| 3-SF | Don Sebastian | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5'10,3.2 ppg |
| 4-PF | Bob Freshley | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 6'6, 2.1 ppg |
| 15 Turnovers | 82 | 1 | 28 | 16 | 19 | 28 | 6 | 7 | 15 |
Saturday, March 9, 2024
Pettit & LSU Survive Ferocious Walt Frazier Rally, 75-73
Unknown Teams Feature All-time Great Players - LSU 1953 v. SIU 1967 NIT Champs
Please read this great piece on the Southern Illinois NIT title. After this blog was posted, we played out the LSU 1953 vs. Southern Illinois 1967 game with results here.
Our next "great player" tournament game features and SIU 1967 team that is still not listed as a major basketball program, but proved their 24-2 mark against lesser competition was not a fluke as they beat Al McGuire's Marquette for the NIT title. Stats are not recorded for their season, so we had to use the 1968 state for most players and Walt Frazier's stats from his all-star NBA career.
Meanwhile they face another all-time greatp player in Bob Pettit but from another somewhat mysterious team in LSU 1953. On the one had the Tigers went undefeated in the SEC. Today that would surely result in a team ranked No. 1 in the country, but SEC basketball 70 years ago was not what it is today, as LSU did not beat a single ranked team all season - including losing both Final 4 games.
Thats the set up for two somewhat unknown teams but each with one of the greatest players of all time.
Lineups at the start of the game - remember read all coins from left to right for a 1-5 on 8-sided die, then left to right reading only dimes for the 6,7 or 8. Neither team has "8" covered to start the game, so if that comes up roll again but in the second roll a 6-8 is a shot clock turnover.
Tuesday, November 29, 2022
Shaq Faces Last Marquette Team to Beat a Top 10 by +25
On December 13, 1971, #2 Marquette beat #9 Michigan 81-52. Tuesday an unranked Marquette team beat #6 Baylor 96-70, the most lopsided win for a Marquette team against a Top 10 team since that game 51 years ago.
That made Jim Chones 3-0 at Marquette. He would finish 49-1, with only a one-point loss to Ohio State in the tournament that year in a game in which All-American guard Dean Meminger fouled out with five minutes to go. Marquette destroyed Kentucky in the consolation game to finish 25-1, then started the next season 21-0 before Chones left for the ABA - having gone 46-1 in his college career.
Our next look at that 1971 Marquette team is when Chones faces a pretty worthy big man opponent - Shaq! Here are pages 66 and 68 of the google doc with the 135 great all-time Value Add Basketball teams.
One rule item from years back, the "3-point" shot for both Shaq and Chones is actually a chance for a traditional 3-point play. If this comes up, they make a 2-pointer and are fouled by the opposing player for a chance at a 3-point play. Both have only a 55% chance at actually making the 3-pointer to complete the 3-point play, since they are both 1-11 Free Throw Made, meaning 12-20 is a missed free throw.



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