Sunday, December 21, 2025

Dunk City FGCU 63, Illinois 58

Its unusual for a Wisconsinite to apologize to Illini LOL, but I do regret using the 2025 Illini instead of the 2024 squad with Coleman Hawkins that made the Elite 8. I may sub that out in the game.

As is, the Illini opened by scoring the first 9 points, both excellent defenses clamped down including neither team scoring from the 5 minute to the 1:30 mark.

Tre White broke that stretch with a bucket to pull the Illini within 57-53, but the 2013 Florida Gulf Coast team that became known as "Dunk City" held on for a 63-58 win to advance.

FGSU advances to play Jimmy Valvano's NC State champs. These two teams were ranked 228th and 229th - so dead even, while NC State will be favored as they are in the top.100.



Saturday, December 20, 2025

Why a 1952 Team Can Beat a 2025 Team: The Dunk Chart That Levels the Eras

We topped 100,000 unique visitors to our Value Add Basketball Game for the first time on December 20, 2025 - thank you! We gave a nice facelift to the game instructions and also linked the instructions to this blog to explain why you must use the dunk ranges on 51-66 rolls.


The thrilling 80–79 win by the 1952 St. Louis team over the 2025 Oklahoma team in the Value Add Basketball Game provided the perfect opportunity to explain the most important part of the game when matching teams from different eras.

Anyone who claims shooters were better “back in the old days” is simply wrong. Looking strictly at 2-point field goal percentage (setting the 3-pointer aside as its own separate issue), modern teams have hovered around 50% since the 1980s. But earlier eras were nowhere near that level. As the chart shows, teams in the 1940s made under 30% of their shots, teams through the 1950s were still under 40%, the 1960s barely reached 45%, and even in the 1970s teams still couldn’t average 50%.

In short, in 1952 teams averaged roughly one-third of their shots going in - so if a modern team and a 1952 team each took six shots - 3 would go in for the new team and 2 for the old team and by the end the 1952 team would have no chance. Even giving freshman phenom Dick Boushka playing time in this matchup (despite freshmen normally playing separately in that era), St. Louis still only projects to be around 37% shooting — while their opponent, 2025 Oklahoma, hits 54% of their 2-pointers.

When we calculate the 20-sided die ranges for each player — whether they make a 3, make a 2, draw free throws, miss a 3, or miss a 2 — every Oklahoma starter is better offensively than every St. Louis player, even though Boushka is a Hall of Famer and Olympic gold medalist.

What we discovered — during three straight all-nighters in a New York hotel after Covid canceled the Big East Tournament I was covering — is that while the dunk ranges I originally developed were critical for adjusting strength of competition between 21st-century teams, they are even more important when putting historical teams from wildly different eras on equal footing.

To make historic matchups realistic, you must use the dunk chart in the Value Add Basketball Game rules. Cross-reference a team’s offensive dunk range with the opposing team’s defensive “adjust dunk” range, then write at the top of the scoresheet what happens when the 51–66 two-die result appears.

If the chart indicates “51-50,” you simply ignore those rolls and go straight to the 20-sided die result for the player with the ball.

However, if the chart shows a green range, then on those rolls the offense scores. We list it as a dunk, but practically it represents getting to the rim easily for two points. Any time that number appears, the team automatically scores two — unless the 20-sided die produces a made 3 or a chance to draw a key foul, in which case the offense may choose the better result.

In this game, St. Louis had a 51-56 dunk range, and Oklahoma’s +1 defensive adjustment expanded that to a green 51-61 window (remember 6-sided dice, so we skip 57, 58, 59 and 60), meaning St. Louis automatically scored on those rolls. This calibrates their offense to a modern environment where defenses allow around 50% shooting, instead of the 33% accuracy environment of 1952.

Oklahoma was the opposite. Their 51-45 dunk range combined with St. Louis’ –2 defensive adjustment produced a red 51-61 STOP range. When Oklahoma rolled a STOP, you still use the 8-sided die to identify the player with the ball, but then one of two things happens:

• If the defender has a defensive rebound range of 1–3 or lower → it is scored as a turnover.
• If the defender rebounds at 1–4 or better → score it as a missed shot, and the defender gets the rebound.

So despite Oklahoma having much better raw shooting percentages, these dunk-chart adjustments correctly account for the fact that St. Louis was one of the top teams in the nation in 1952 and should not simply get crushed by a modern team. Without the adjustment, Oklahoma would hit 54% of their shots while St. Louis hit only 37%, and the game would be hopelessly lopsided.

Instead, the math shows St. Louis as about eight points better than Oklahoma (their –5 rating beats Oklahoma’s –13), which played out on the tabletop. St. Louis actually led 79–73 inside the final minute before Oklahoma hit two late threes but still fell short, 80–79.

Final: St. Louis (1952) 80, Oklahoma (2025) 79.

This is not to say that if the 1952 St. Louis team came through a time machine to play a team like 2025 Oklahoma they would have a chance. But that would be like saying there are 50 runners better than Jesse Owens today simply because, if he came forward in time with no benefit of modern training, his 10.2 in the 100-meter dash wouldn’t place in the top 50 in 2025. Obviously, in both basketball and track, athletes are faster and stronger now. Courts and tracks are better. Training is more advanced. Athletes learn from decades of accumulated film, coaching, and trial-and-error. Nutrition and sports science are on a completely different level.

And while the 1952 St. Louis team is not in a league with icons like Owens, Ruth, or Marciano, they were hardly a relic or a novelty. They were ranked No. 5 in the country, made the Elite Eight, and did all of that without being able to play their best player, Dick Boushka—who the following year led the conference in scoring and later won an Olympic gold medal. Freshmen couldn’t play varsity in that era, so adding Boushka to that roster makes St. Louis a legitimate national contender and a team capable of playing competitive games against all-time greats in a fair simulation.

That’s what the Value Add Basketball Game calibrates: if teams like St. Louis and Oklahoma grew up in the same era, with the same training, coaching, environment, and advantages, how would they really stack up? Just like Jesse Owens, Babe Ruth, and Rocky Marciano would still be considered among the greatest of all time even if they couldn’t simply step out of a time machine and dominate under modern conditions, great historical teams still deserve to be measured by greatness—not by whether they instantly adapt to today’s athletic world.






Valvano Sweep - 1983 NC State Blows Out Maryland

The spirit of Jim Valvano pulled off two Value Add Basketball Game in our new tournament, as his 1983 NC State team featured in the film "Survive and Advance" crushed last year's Maryland Sweet 16 team. Led by Sidney Lowe on defense, NC State won the turnover battle 24-14 in a stifling 73-43 win. Below is the box score and picture of the scoresheet.

NC State is one of six top 100 all-time teams left in our tournament of new teams we created. While we play these new teams, we have put on hold our All-Time Final 4 (1972 UCLA vs 2001 Duke and 1975 UCLA vs 1976 Indiana are the two semi finals. See the NIT Final 4 as well below.

 
Pos            Maryland 2025             Pts  3pt  2pt FTAtt Reb Stl  Blk Fl Actual season
1-PGJa'Kobi Gillespie151444151214.7 pts, 6'1
2-SGRodney Rice60300310213.8 pts, 6'4
3-SFSelton Miguel20100310211.6 pts, 6'4
4-PFJulian Reese40200304113.3 pts, 6'9
5-CDerik Queen40122713216.5 pts, 6'10
Pos BenchPts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual season
1-PGJay Young4020011011.8 pts, 6'2
2-SGMalachi Palmer2010010011.6 pts,6'6
3-SFDeshawn Harris-Smith2010010012.5 pts,6'5
4-PFJordan Geronimo2010020012.5 pts, 6'6
5-CTafara Gapare2010021113.4 pts, 6'9
 24 turnovers43117662410914 
            
PosNC State 1983Pts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual season
1-PGSidney Lowe121412330411.3 pts, 6'0
2-SGDereck Whittenburg181711530217.5 pts, 6'1
3-SFErnie Myers130612501111.2 pts, 6'5
4-PFLorenzo Charles60300111118.1 pts, 6'7
5-CThurl Bailey100422503316.7 pts, 6'11
PosBenchPts3pt2ptFTAttRebStlBlkFlActual season
1-PGTerry Gannon4020030017.3 pts, 6'1
2-SGGeorge McClain2010010012.7 pts, 6'0
3-SFAlvin Battle2010010012.7 pts, 6'7
4-PFWalter Dinky Proctor4020030010.9 pts, 6'8
5-CCozell McQueen2010020013.5 pts, 6'11
 14 turnovers7323157397516

Here are the other tournaments we have going.



End

All-time rank  Top 6 teams left in our new team tourney  Conf  Year   Star Player           
24FloridaSEC2025Walter Clayton Jr.
33UCLAB102008Russell Westbrook
38Duke ACC2025Cooper Flagg
48Long Island UniversityNEC1939Irv Torgoff
49City College of New York (CCNY)old1950Floyd Lane
76NC StateACC1983Lorenzo Charles
     
All-time rankNCAA All-Time Final 4ConfYearStar Player
1UCLAB101972Bill Walton #44
9DukeACC2001Shane Battier
2UCLAB101975Dave Meyers
3IndianaB101976Scott May
     
All-time rankNIT Small Conference Final 4ConfYearStar Player
66Northern IowaMVC2015Seth Tuttle
190UNC WilmingtonCAA2003Devontae Cacok
128Detroit MercyHorz1960Dave DeBusschere
135DartmouthIvy1944Dick McGuire
     
All-time rankTeams in game not in current tourneyConfYearStar Player
4North CarolinaACC1982Michael Jordan #1
5KansasB121997Paul Pierce #62
6HoustonB121968Elvin Hayes #58
7KansasB122008Mario Chalmers

Jimmy V Double Header - Iona Wins, NC State Next

We are sometimes asked about cutting up a Value Add Basketball Game team sheets into five players, which of course you can do. However, our suggestion is to use dimes and pennies to mark who is in the game. Jimmy Valvano's 1980 Iona starting line-up is pictured, and since they were all in the game at this point there is a coin on each player on the top line (starting line-up).

So on the 8-sided die that starts the possession, a roll of 1-5 gives the ball to the player in that order (1 = point guard Glenn Vickers, all the way to a 5 = future NBA player Jeff Ruland. The dimes are positioned on the players who can get the ball on a 6, 7 or 8. In this case, a "6" is the first dime left to right, and that is Kevin Hamilton, who scored 17 points in the game. Ruland has two dimes so you now that both a 7 & 8 go to him - and he had a monster game with 19 points, 11 rebounds and 5 blocked shots BUT kept Jimmy V nervous getting his 4th foul with 7:40 to go but did not foul out.

This was the first of our two games with Jimmy V as coach, as his Iona squad won a defensive brawl over the 2025 Drake team 66-56, and next his NC State 1983 champs from three years later to play 


Here are the tournament teams, which appear at the top of ranking of all 300 teams and all game results.




Here are the links to the star players from each team mentioned above.

 

Walter Clayton Jr. 1st team

Damian Lillard #75

Bennett Stirtz Con MVP (Larry Bird Award)

Jeff Ruland

RJ Luis 2nd team

 Oliver Robinson

Egor Demin, NBA #8

Paris McCurdy

 

Cooper Flagg, AA, NBA #1

Dolph Schayes #70

Donovan Dent and Nelly Jr. Joseph

Charlie Yelverton

Derik Queen, NBA #13

Lorenzo Charles

Kasparas Jakucionis (20th) & Will Riley (21) NBA picks

Bernard Thompson

 

Tayton Conerway, Conf POY

Max Abmas

Floyd Lane

Javohn Garcia, Conf POY

Clinton Smith

Hank Nowak

Jurian Dixon, conf freshman of year

Ed Ratleff

Aniwaniwa Tait-Jones conf POY, Hayden Gray Def POY, also all 1st team Tyler McGhie

Antonio Gates

 

Russell Westbrook #68

Yaxel Lendeborg, Sr., F, UAB Def POY

Max Shulga, NBA #57

Gordie Herbert

Honor Huff, all conf

Tarvis Williams

Irv Torgoff (F)

Jeremiah Fears, NBA #7

Bob Koch


Tarkanian's Long Beach State Dominates Cal Irvine 84-66

 Ed Ratleff scored 24 points as Long Beach State dominated the turnover battle 23-8 and advance to the 2nd round if our new team's tournament.

Cal-Irvine's Devin Tillis had a team high 13 points and drew 5 fouls on LB State's Eric McWilliams in the 66-84 loss.

LB State dominated under Tarkanian before he left for UNLV. This team finished ranked 5th and they are the 7-sees in our current tournament.





Friday, December 19, 2025

1986 Cleveland St. 114 defeats 2025 McNeese 112 in OT

 


McNeese 2025 dominated by double digits most of the game, and Cleveland State 1986 had only 4 steals and trailed 85-74 with 3:58 (7 possessions to play). then they exploded to come up with 8 steals in the rest of the way to finish with their actual season average that year of 12 steals a game. 

Eddie Bryant hit a buzzer beater to tie the game 93-93 at the end of regulation, which already made the game the 11th highest scoring of more than 350 Value Add Basketball Games.

However until the final possession they had not blocked a single shot or led once in the game, but Clinton Smith blocked a potential game winner by Christian Shumate (15 points, 9 rebounds, 5 blocked shots) and then Smith also hit the game-winner at the other end for a 114-112 thriller in what was the 2nd highest scoring game we had ever played behind only Loyola Marymount defeating Kentucky 138-116. 

Cleveland State advances to face the 1957 Canisius team. Here are the six games we have played in which more than 200 points have been scored, and the box score is at the bottom. The lowest scoring game we had was a win by the last undefeated team in history - Bobby Knight's 1976 Indiana team, which beat Michigan's Fab Five 55-46.

Yr             Winner                                   Score   Allow  Total Pts  Defeated                  Year
1990Loyola Marymount138116254Kentucky1970
1986Cleveland St.114112226McNeese 2025
1950Holy Cross108106214Duke1986
2000Michigan St.108104212Miami FL1965
1998North Carolina104101205Loyola Marymount1990
1989Illinois10598203Loyola Marymount1990


Cleveland State 1st 16-player Team Among All-Time Greats

We have finished calculating the Value Add Basketball Game’s six newest inductees, which now appear below and among the 300 all-time teams listed on the Great Teams page. Normally, we create 10 players per team for the game, but we made an exception for Cleveland State by listing all 16 players from their memorable Sweet 16 run in 1986.

The reason for this exception is that Cleveland State played at such a fast tempo that our standard 44-possession Value Add Basketball Game expands to 54 possessions when they are involved. Their relentless pressure defense revolutionized the game, as they averaged more than 12 steals per game while holding opponents to just five. In many ways, they helped turn steals into a defining statistic across the NCAA. With that pace came increased foul trouble, so this expanded roster allows backup players to share player cards with combined stats. If one player fouls out, another can step in seamlessly as needed.

We previewed the other new teams in the previous blog, highlighted by NC State’s miracle championship run under Jim Valvano in 1983. The group also includes two of the original New York powers—Long Island (1939) and the City College of New York (CCNY) 1955 team, the last program to win both the NIT and the NCAA Tournament. Finally, we added two surprise teams from this century: Hampton (2001), an HBCU, and Oral Roberts (2019). We also added two teams from this century that were surprises in the tournament and coincidentally have covered the whole political spectrum with - Hampton 2001 and HBCU that hosted Kamala Harris multiple times and Oral Roberts 2019, where Donald Trump was the latest of many conservative politicians to speak. But these pages are just about the basketball..