Updated Top 200 Hoops Teams All-time; Updated Links 200 Players

Note - the 200 player links are all new - we were linking only to their NBA stats, but now they are linked to their college careers at basketball reference.

After winning our third Value Add Basketball Game tournament, Western Kentucky's 1966 moves up to 39th in our all time rankings. Based on their cards we started them ranked as the 169th best all-time team. If we used a formula very close to that at www.kenpom.com then they would have moved up, but only to 56th. This is because we basically use Pomeroy's formula (as close as we can replicate it from watching it play out), but we give an extra 4 points for winning a game or subtract 4 when a team loses.

The following updates our rankings of the top 200 all-time teams in our game. We list the three teams to win our tournaments so far, then the other 14 teams still undefeated in our current tournament of mainly newer teams we built, and then the remaining 183 teams who have lost at least one game. We track all game results and rankings here.

The following is the explanation for each header:

Rank - our current ranking for the team, which is adjusted up or down after every game based on if they win or lose, the margin, and the strength of schedule (how tough the opponents have been).

Card - How good we actually believe the team is based on their cards.

Pom - The approximate www.kenpom.com rating, which is the same as Rank except teams do not get an extra 4 points for winning or lose points for losing.

Team.

Year played.

Player - their best known player.

Conference - the Conference they will be in for the 2024-25 season under realignment, regardless of the conference they were in at the time. We did use "P12" for both Pac-12 and potential partner Mountain West.

W - wins in our games so far.

L - Losses in our games so far.

Sc - Average points scored in our games so far.

All - Average points allowed in games so far.

SOS- Strength of Schedule, how tough their opponents were.

This month we have had 14,947 unique visitors, the fourth most in the history of the blog, and if we have our sixth straight day of at least 1,000 unique visitors we would break the all-time record with more than one-third of the month to go.

1. April 2020 - 15,870
2. October 2019 - 15,584
3. June 2021 - 15,581
4. Jan 2024 - 15,007 - Jan 18 2 am CT
5. July 2021 - 14,847
6. Aug 2021 - 14,810
7. Aug 2020 - 13,997
8. Sept 2021 - 13,793
9. Sept 2020 - 13,661
10. May 2020 - 13,345 

Rank	Card	pom	Champions	Yr	Player	Conf	W	L	Sc	All	SOS
1	1	1	UCLA	1972	Bill Walton	B10	6	0	72.0	62.0	-0.5
2	17	4	Kansas	1997	Paul Pierce	B12	5	0	76.8	62.4	-1.0
39	169	56	Western Kentucky	1966	Clem Haskins	Low	4	0	79.8	69.3	-0.3
Rank	Card	pom	Current Tourney	Yr	Player	Conf	W	L	Sc	All	SOS
14	7	20	Connecticut	2023	Adama Sanogo	BE	2	0	78.5	58.0	-11.0
35	105	42	Rutgers	1976	Phil Sellers	B10	2	0	90.5	75.5	-7.0
46	65	52	Houston	2021	Quentin Grimes	B12	1	0	102.0	50.0	-16.0
47	72	53	Tennessee	2023	Santiago Vescovi	SEC	1	0	75.0	67.0	-4.0
50	171	72	Colorado	2021	McKinley Wright	B12	3	0	82.3	78.0	-0.3
52	38	65	Duke	2015	Justise Winslow	ACC	2	0	75.0	72.5	-7.0
58	54	74	Massachusetts	1996	Marcus Camby	A10	2	0	84.5	80.5	-8.0
61	107	68	SMU	2017	Semi Ojeleye	ACC	1	0	77.0	64.0	-7.0
63	177	86	North Carolina	2022	Armando Bacot	ACC	2	0	80.5	68.0	-2.5
64	97	73	Gonzaga	2023	Drew Timme	WCC	1	0	86.0	74.0	-7.0
70	66	75	Kansas	2022	Ochai Agbaji	B12	1	0	87.0	81.0	-7.9
77	155	90	Xavier	2023	Jack Nunge	BE	1	0	83.0	68.0	-4.0
78	89	95	Texas	2023	Marcus Carr	SEC	2	0	90.5	87.0	-6.0
116	176	141	Miami	2023	Norchad Omier	ACC	2	0	88.5	87.5	-4.0
Rank	Card	pom	Teams with a loss	Yr	Player	Conf	W	L	Sc	All	SOS
3	4	3	Duke	2001	Shane Battier	ACC	3	1	78.3	72.5	4.8
4	10	2	Ohio St.	1960	Jerry Lucas	B10	2	1	84.0	76.3	4.7
5	9	5	Indiana	1976	Scott May	B10	3	1	71.3	59.8	-0.8
6	14	8	Houston	1968	Elvin Hayes	B12	3	1	73.0	63.8	1.3
7	53	7	Kansas	2008	Mario Chalmers	B12	5	1	74.7	56.0	-0.7
8	13	11	North Carolina	1982	Michael Jordan	ACC	5	1	68.8	65.0	4.0
9	5	6	Kentucky	1996	Antoine Walker	SEC	2	1	72.0	69.3	3.3
10	25	12	San Francisco	1956	Bill Russell	WCC	3	1	73.0	63.5	1.0
11	16	10	North Carolina	2005	Sean May	ACC	3	2	72.2	64.4	2.0
12	20	9	Arkansas	1994	Corliss Williamson	SEC	1	2	75.3	70.3	8.0
13	26	19	Villanova	2018	Mikal Bridges	BE	7	2	79.4	70.3	0.1
15	50	18	Connecticut	2004	Ben Gordon	BE	5	2	74.7	66.0	0.7
16	49	13	Baylor	2021	Jared Butler	B12	2	2	86.0	78.5	4.8
17	37	21	Virginia	2019	Kyle Guy	ACC	4	1	72.6	65.4	2.4
18	34	16	Louisville	2013	Russ Smith	ACC	2	1	74.0	66.3	1.7
19	21	15	Gonzaga	2017	Nigel Williams-Goss	WCC	3	3	69.8	63.0	3.0
20	2	23	Kentucky	2012	Anthony Davis	SEC	4	2	72.2	65.7	-4.7
21	8	14	Duke	1992	Christian Laettner	ACC	1	2	73.7	70.3	1.0
22	15	22	North Carolina St.	1974	David Thompson	ACC	2	1	72.0	72.7	4.3
23	122	24	DePaul	1980	Mark Aguirre	BE	3	1	76.8	68.8	3.5
24	29	25	Duke	2010	Jon Scheyer	ACC	5	2	74.0	66.7	0.1
25	22	26	Houston	1983	Hakeem Olajuwon	B12	2	1	70.7	65.0	-0.3
26	24	27	Michigan St.	1979	Magic Johnson	B10	2	1	70.3	62.7	-2.3
27	6	17	Cincinnati	1960	Oscar Robertson	B12	1	2	72.3	78.0	8.3
28	43	28	Michigan	1965	Cazzie Russell	B10	2	1	85.7	79.0	-1.0
29	83	29	New Mexico St.	1970	Jimmy Collins	Low	2	1	79.0	67.7	-3.0
30	60	30	Purdue	2018	Carsen Edwards	b10	4	1	71.2	68.8	2.8
31	3	31	UCLA	1967	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	B10	2	1	83.0	87.0	-2.0
32	92	44	Auburn	2019	Chuma Okeke	SEC	8	1	71.0	65.3	-2.6
33	32	33	Illinois	2005	Deron Williams	B10	3	2	72.0	69.6	1.2
34	30	34	Georgetown	1984	Patrick Ewing	BE	2	1	67.3	65.3	0.0
36	36	40	Michigan St.	2000	Mateen Cleaves	B10	4	1	79.6	77.2	-1.6
37	112	36	Wake Forest	1996	Tim Duncan	ACC	2	1	66.0	64.7	6.0
39	68	37	Oregon	2017	Dillon Brooks	B10	4	3	71.9	69.9	1.6
40	45	35	Wisconsin	2015	Frank Kaminsky	B10	2	2	65.0	63.3	1.0
41	11	32	UNLV	1991	Larry Johnson	P12	1	2	72.7	76.3	0.7
42	88	41	Syracuse	2003	Carmelo Anthony	ACC	2	1	76.0	74.0	3.0
43	42	48	Memphis	2008	Derrick Rose	Amer	4	2	68.7	65.8	-0.3
44	40	45	Indiana	1981	Isaiah Thomas	B10	2	1	72.7	72.3	0.0
45	103	54	Oklahoma	1985	Wayman Tisdale	SEC	3	1	75.3	73.8	1.8
48	100	38	Loyola Marymount	1990	Bo Kimble	WCC	1	2	112.3	108.3	2.3
49	111	49	UTEP (Texas Western)	1966	Bobby Joe Hill	Low	2	1	63.7	66.0	6.7
51	52	46	Jacksonville	1970	Artis Gilmore	Low	1	1	78.0	75.0	-2.0
53	27	47	Cincinnati	2002	Jason Maxiell	B12	2	2	72.8	71.5	-1.5
54	12	55	Florida	2006	Joakim Noah	SEC	5	3	74.4	72.0	-4.6
55	117	60	Charlotte	1977	Cedric Maxwell	Amer	1	1	84.5	71.5	-1.0
56	75	57	USC	2021	Evan Mobley	B10	2	1	73.7	70.7	-4.3
57	101	62	Michigan St.	2009	Draymond Green	B10	6	3	71.3	71.9	1.6
59	48	66	Arizona	2015	Stanley Johnson	B12	3	1	75.3	70.5	-6.0
60	87	61	Syracuse	1987	Rony Seikaly	ACC	2	1	72.3	68.7	-2.0
62	31	63	Illinois	1989	Nick Anderson	B10	2	1	87.0	84.0	-5.3
65	19	64	North Carolina	1998	Vince Carter	ACC	2	1	80.7	83.7	-3.0
66	18	39	Michigan	1989	Glen Rice	B10	0	2	70.5	78.5	3.0
67	69	58	Seton Hall	1989	John Morton	BE	1	1	78.0	78.0	1.5
68	86	59	Providence	1987	Billy Donovan	BE	1	1	66.0	64.5	1.5
69	127	70	Marquette	2023	Tyler Kolek	BE	2	1	85.7	83.0	0.1
71	123	71	Duke	2022	Wendell Moore	ACC	2	1	80.3	76.0	-1.7
72	57	51	Michigan	2013	Trey Burke	B10	1	2	70.3	69.7	0.3
73	35	50	Loyola-Chicago	1963	Jerry Harkness	A10	0	1	62.0	68.0	-2.0
74	146	69	Iowa	2021	Luka Garza	B10	1	1	79.5	70.5	-3.5
75	73	77	Texas Tech	2019	Jarrett Culver	B12	3	2	65.6	67.2	0.8
76	47	83	Arizona	1997	Mike Bibby	B12	2	1	68.7	71.0	-1.0
79	23	81	Kansas	1957	Wilt Chamberlain	B12	3	2	67.8	71.4	-0.4
80	58	67	Ohio St.	2007	Greg Oden	B10	2	3	70.2	71.4	0.6
81	33	79	Kentucky	1948	Alex Groza	SEC	1	1	71.0	81.5	3.0
82	90	80	Vanderbilt	1993	Bill McCaffrey	SEC	1	1	72.5	72.5	0.0
83	74	93	Tulsa	2000	David Shelton	Amer	2	1	75.0	70.7	-4.3
84	59	60	Pittsburgh	2009	DeJuan Blair	ACC	1	3	60.0	62.3	2.3
85	81	85	Marquette	1977	Butch Lee	BE	1	1	66.0	61.5	-5.0
86	82	87	Marquette	2003	Dwyane Wade	BE	2	2	73.3	74.0	0.0
87	71	89	Temple	1958	Guy Rodgers	Amer	1	1	66.0	68.5	-4.5
88	64	82	Georgia Tech	2004	Jarrett Jack	ACC	2	3	62.6	67.4	3.8
89	55	92	Minnesota	1977	Kevin McHale	B10	1	1	69.5	68.5	-3.0
90	77	84	Georgetown	2007	Roy Hibbert	BE	1	2	76.7	75.3	-1.7
91	142	94	Maryland	1984	Len Bias	B10	1	1	69.5	68.5	1.5
92	51	76	Duke	1986	Johnny Dawkins	ACC	0	1	106.0	108.0	-6.0
93	119	96	Creighton	2023	Ryan Kalkbrenner	BE	1	1	86.0	86.0	0.5
94	102	105	Missouri	1982	Steve Stipanovich	SEC	2	1	73.7	73.3	-1.7
95	39	91	Indiana St.	1979	Larry Bird	Low	1	2	79.7	81.0	-4.0
96	63	88	California	1959	Jack Grout	ACC	0	1	69.0	71.0	-2.0
97	78	99	Holy Cross	1950	Bob Cousy	Low	1	1	88.0	89.5	-2.0
98	80	100	LSU	1992	Shaquille O'Neal	SEC	1	1	82.5	81.0	-5.0
99	28	78	Connecticut	1999	Richard Hamilton	BE	0	2	60.5	73.0	5.0
100	56	103	Oregon St.	1982	A.C. Green	P12	1	1	71.5	73.0	-7.0
101	94	107	Drake	1969	Willie McCarter	Low	1	1	74.5	74.5	-3.0
102	108	97	St. John's	1985	Chris Mullin	BE	0	1	75.0	76.0	0.0
103	148	111	Kansas St.	2023	Markquis Nowell	B12	1	1	81.0	74.0	-6.5
104	129	113	San Diego St.	2011	Kawhi Leonard	P12	2	2	69.3	71.8	-0.3
105	46	98	Alabama	2023	Brandon Miller	SEC	0	1	78.0	79.0	-13.0
106	106	101	Seattle	1958	Elgin Baylor	Low	0	1	62.0	64.0	0.0
107	150	106	Marquette	1971	Jim Chones	BE	1	2	70.0	72.7	3.0
108	147	115	Kansas St.	2008	Michael Beasley	B12	1	1	75.0	75.5	0.5
109	104	104	Purdue	1969	Rick Mount	b10	0	1	86.0	87.0	-2.0
110	67	102	Oklahoma St.	2004	John Lucas	B12	1	3	68.8	71.0	-1.5
111	130	109	South Carolina	2017	Sindarius Thornwell	SEC	1	2	65.3	65.7	-2.0
112	138	108	Mississippi	2001	Justin Reed	SEC	0	1	56.0	67.0	5.0
113	152	128	Stanford	2008	Brook Lopez	ACC	2	1	79.7	79.0	-4.0
114	62	110	Virginia	1981	Ralph Sampson	ACC	0	1	61.0	72.0	-3.0
115	121	125	Dayton	2020	Obi Toppin	A10	1	1	81.5	80.5	-4.0
117	79	112	Indiana	2002	Jared Jeffries	B10	1	3	67.3	72.8	1.3
118	140	114	South Carolina	1973	Mike Dunleavy	SEC	0	1	66.0	72.0	6.0
119	98	129	Iowa St.	2014	DeAndre Kane	B12	1	1	73.0	75.5	-5.0
120	131	130	Tennessee	1977	Bernard King	SEC	1	1	76.0	83.0	1.0
121	61	116	St. Bonaventure	1970	Bob Lanier	A10	0	1	64.0	74.0	-6.0
122	116	117	Alabama	1977	Reggie King	SEC	0	1	70.0	71.0	-3.0
123	41	118	Maryland	2002	Juan Dixon	B10	1	3	67.0	76.3	0.8
124	44	120	UNLV	1987	Armen Gilliam	P12	0	1	64.0	82.0	-6.0
125	95	121	Florida St.	1993	Charlie Ward	ACC	0	1	76.0	78.0	-7.0
126	113	122	West Virginia	1959	Jerry West	b12	0	1	68.0	69.0	-8.0
127	115	123	La Salle	1954	Tom Gola	A10	0	1	67.0	76.0	-3.0
128	157	124	DePaul	1945	George Mikan	BE	0	1	51.0	55.0	7.0
129	85	119	Oklahoma	2016	Buddy Hield	SEC	1	3	60.3	67.3	1.3
130	137	126	Miami	2013	Shane Larkin	ACC	0	1	67.0	75.0	0.0
131	141	138	St. Mary's	2023	Logan Johnson	WCC	1	1	83.0	84.0	-5.5
132	70	134	St. Joe's	2004	Jameer Nelson	A10	1	2	68.3	75.7	-1.7
133	84	131	North Carolina	1957	Lennie Rosenbluth	ACC	0	1	76.0	89.0	-1.0
134	133	132	Washington	2006	Brandon Roy	B10	0	1	98.0	99.0	-7.0
135	151	133	Notre Dame	1981	Orlando Woolridge	ACC	0	1	68.0	74.0	4.0
136	114	127	West Virginia	2010	Kevin Jones	b12	1	3	70.3	76.0	0.0
137	132	137	UCLA	2006	Jordan Farmar	B10	2	3	66.0	72.4	0.4
138	144	136	Buffalo	2019	CJ Massinburg	Low	0	1	82.0	84.0	-2.0
139	110	139	Texas	2003	T.J. Ford	SEC	1	2	68.7	76.3	-1.0
140	182	140	Iowa	2001	Reggie Evans	B10	1	2	71.0	75.3	1.7
141	167	145	Wichita St.	2013	Fred VanVleet	Amer	1	2	64.3	71.3	1.7
142	172	135	Davidson	2008	Stephen Curry	A10	1	5	66.7	70.8	0.7
143	136	142	Brigham Young	1981	Danny Ainge	B12	0	1	67.0	77.0	0.0
144	160	143	Nevada	2004	Nick Fazekas	P12	0	1	82.0	84.0	-2.0
145	184	144	Virginia Tech	1986	Dell Curry	ACC	0	1	81.0	87.0	7.4
146	96	146	Georgia Tech	1990	Dennis Scott	ACC	0	1	64.0	82.0	1.0
147	125	150	LSU	2006	Glen Davis	SEC	1	2	66.3	75.0	-0.7
148	165	147	Seton Hall	2020	Myles Powell	BE	0	1	78.0	80.0	-3.4
149	109	148	Texas A&M	2007	Acie Law	SEC	0	1	60.0	77.0	-1.0
150	158	149	Marquette	2011	Jimmy Butler	BE	0	1	82.0	87.0	-1.0
151	154	151	VCU	1985	Calvin Duncan	A10	0	1	76.0	85.0	-1.0
152	166	152	TCU	2023	JaKobe Coles	B12	0	1	77.0	79.0	-5.0
153	134	153	Utah	1998	Andre Miller	B12	0	1	69.0	79.0	-4.0
154	126	167	Marquette	1994	Jim McIlvaine	BE	1	1	70.0	80.5	-4.2
155	120	154	Dayton	1967	Don May	A10	0	1	69.0	88.0	1.0
156	170	155	Boston College	2006	Jared Dudley	ACC	0	1	72.0	76.0	-2.0
157	189	156	Mississippi St.	2005	Lawrence Roberts	SEC	0	1	69.0	71.0	5.0
158	143	157	Arizona St.	1980	Byron Scott	B12	0	1	64.0	79.0	2.0
159	149	158	Kansas	1988	Danny Manning	B12	0	1	58.0	67.0	-4.0
160	153	159	UCLA	2021	Jaime Jaquez	B10	0	1	81.0	90.0	-4.0
161	91	160	Arkansas	1978	Sidney Moncrief	SEC	0	1	58.0	79.0	-2.0
162	178	175	Auburn	1984	Charles Barkley	SEC	1	1	71.5	77.0	-3.5
163	118	161	Clemson	1987	Horace Grant	ACC	0	1	77.0	97.0	-1.0
164	159	162	Navy	1986	David Robinson	Low	0	1	61.0	77.0	4.0
165	162	163	Oklahoma St.	1946	Bob Kurland	B12	0	1	80.0	82.0	-10.0
166	163	164	Penn St.	2018	Tony Carr	B10	0	1	82.0	90.0	-4.0
167	168	165	Wyoming	1943	Ken Sailors	P12	0	1	60.0	73.0	1.0
168	180	168	Central Florida	2019	Joey Graham	B12	0	1	70.0	74.0	-3.0
169	135	169	Arkansas	2021	JD Notae	SEC	0	1	68.0	83.0	-5.0
170	139	174	Notre Dame	1970	Austin Carr	ACC	1	2	67.3	81.3	1.3
171	99	170	Louisville	1980	Darrell Griffith	ACC	0	1	52.0	82.0	3.0
172	183	171	Villanova	1985	Ed Pinckney	BE	0	1	65.0	72.0	-2.0
173	190	172	Nebraska	2014	Terran Petteway	B10	0	1	72.0	75.0	3.0
174	185	177	San Diego St.	2023	Jaedon LeDee	P12	0	1	78.0	84.0	-1.0
175	187	185	Georgia	1982	Dominique Wilkins	SEC	1	1	70.0	78.0	-1.0
176	181	166	George Mason	2006	Jai Lewis	A10	0	3	59.3	67.0	0.3
177	124	178	Kentucky	1970	Dan Issel	SEC	0	1	116.0	138.0	-4.0
178	174	179	Marquette	1955	Terry Rand	BE	0	1	74.0	86.0	-2.0
179	128	180	New Mexico	1974	Bernard Hardin	P12	0	1	68.0	95.0	-3.0
180	173	181	Florida Atlantic	2023	Johnell Davis	Amer	0	1	64.0	77.0	-2.0
181	179	182	Bradley	1954	Bob Carney	Low	0	1	60.0	72.0	0.0
182	76	173	Wake Forest	2005	Chris Paul	ACC	0	3	64.3	85.3	4.3
183	93	176	Creighton	2014	Doug McDermott	BE	0	3	66.3	80.0	-1.3
184	161	183	Northwestern	2017	Vic Law	B10	0	1	70.0	85.0	-5.0
185	164	184	Princeton	1965	Bill Bradley	Low	0	1	62.0	79.0	-3.0
186	145	186	Creighton	2020	Ty-Shon Alexander	BE	0	1	72.0	106.0	8.0
187	175	187	Miami	1965	Rick Barry	ACC	0	1	104.0	108.0	-16.0
188	193	188	Stephen f austin	2016	Thomas Walkup	Low	0	1	94.0	95.0	-2.0
189	196	190	Liberty	2023	Darius McGhee	Low	0	1	78.0	80.0	2.0
190	197	191	LSU	1970	Pete Maravich	SEC	0	1	66.0	67.0	1.0
191	192	193	James Madison	2024	Terrence Edwards	Low	0	1	68.0	81.0	2.0
192	194	189	VCU	2011	Bradford Burgess	A10	0	3	60.3	71.3	1.0
193	195	195	Murray St.	2019	Ja Morant	Low	0	1	78.0	85.0	-3.0
194	156	192	Butler	2010	Gordon Hayward	BE	0	3	54.7	76.3	4.3
195	188	194	Loyola-Chicago	2018	Cameron Krutwig	A10	0	3	59.3	75.0	1.7
196	186	196	Washington St.	2008	Kyle Weaver	P12	0	1	64.0	92.0	0.0
197	198	197	Niagara	1970	Calvin Murphy	Low	0	1	68.0	84.0	6.0
198	191	198	Richmond	2011	Justin Harper	A10	0	1	54.0	77.0	-1.0
199	200	199	St. Peter's	2022	Doug Edert	Low	0	1	39.0	77.0	2.0
200	199	200	Princeton	2023	Tosan Evbuomwan	Low	0	1	50.0	102.0	0.0

WKU Beats Calipari, Breaks Top 40

 John Calipari's 1996 UMass team barely survived their first round game of our 16 new teams, with an 80-78 win over Liberty 2023. Western Kentucky 1966 also barely survived, beating Buffalo 2004 by an 84-82 score.

The both won two more games to face off in our championship today, and despite two of his teammates fouling out, Clem Haskins (22 points, 10 rebounds, 5 steals) was just too much in a 74-67 win for the title of our 16-team tournament.  We ranked Western Kentucky 115th of our all-time great teams based on their cards, but they rose to 39th with the 4 wins, while UMass dropped from 53rd to 73rd.

1st Big Upset - W. Kentucky Claims Final 4 Spot - History of other Final 4s

Our 7-seed Western Kentucky scored the first big upset of our 16-team tournament, dominating the boards in a 78-62 win over 2-seed Oregon State. 

We noted Oregon State's one weakness seemed to be low rebounding numbers, but it was not that big a risk in their 81-68 win against James Madison 2024, which is also a weaker rebounding team. However, WKU was a fantastic rebounding team despite the whole team being 6'5 or 6'6 except for the 6'3 superstar Clem Haskins. They dominated the glass with a 40-24 rebounding edge.

Senior center Steve Cunningham's aggressive play took advantage of the soon-to-be great freshman AC Green. With the Hilltoppers leading 60-55 and 5:49 (10 possessions to play) Cunningham drew the 5th foul on Green and hit the basket for an "and-one," sinking the free throw to make it 63-55.

We did not play Green with "soft defense to avoid the foul" because he had two solid backups on Greg Wiltier and Rob Holbrook with stamina left, but Cunningham finished with a double-double (16 points and 10 rebounds) to go with Clem Haskins 21, 8 for the win.

Western Kentucky, which had barely survived Buffalo 2019 in their first game 84-82, will now face Tulsa and Bill Self in one Final 5 game. They will try to spoil a potential match-up of two of the greatest coaches of the 21st century and rematch of the John Calipari (Memphis) vs. Self (Kansas) 2008 championship with two other teams in the game. This one could be Tulsa vs. UMass 1996. However, new Mexico State 1970 will try to eliminate UMass in the other Final 4 game.

In our March 2020 Final 4 from the original 96 all-time great teams in the game, Bill Walton's UCLA beat Mikal Bridges' Villanova 2018 and Michael Jordan's UNC beat Draymond Green's Michigan State. UCLA then won the title, and is now ranked No. 1 of our all-time teams.

In our June 2022 Final Four, Paul Pierce's 1997 Kansas beat 2001 Duke, then another surprise team and the last Big Ten team to win the actual title, Michigan State 2000 beat DePaul 1980 and Terry Cummings. That tournament featured many great teams who were left out of the first batch because we only allowed one team from each school per century. Kansas then won the title and is now ranked No. 2 of our all-time teams.

In our all-time women's Final Four in March 2023, Pat Summit's Tennessee 1998 defeated UConn 2010 in one Final Four game before beating Louisiana Tech 1982, which included Dennis Rodman's sister Debra, in the title game. La Tech had beaten Notre Dame 2018 in the other Final 4 game.

We do have a Sweet 16 of newer teams more recently added we will get back to after this Final 4, and we still need to finish calculating the cards for our 16 new Women's all-time great teams who will also play a Sweet 16 tourament.

 

Pos	Western Kentucky	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Season Actual	Hts
1-PG	Dwight Smith	17	1	5	4	4	3	2	0	3	16.1 Pts, 9.9 Reb	6'5
2-SG	Clem Haskins	21	4	3	3	4	8	3	0	4	20.4 Pts, 10.0 Reb-NBA	6'3
3-SF	Wayne Chapman	9	1	3	0	1	6	0	3	2	13.3 Pts, 4.3 Reb-NBA	6'6
4-PF	Greg Smith	7	1	2	0	0	6	0	3	2	9.5 Pts, 10.3 Reb-NBA	6'5
5-C	Steve Cunningham	16	0	6	4	7	10	0	1	1	15.1 Pts, 7.4 Reb	6'5
1-PG	Mike Fawcett	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.1 Pts, 0.6 Reb	5'10
2-SG	Butch Kaufman	2	0	1	0	0	3	0	0	3	4.0 Pts, 1.0 Reb	5'10
3-SF	Norm Weaver	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.9 Pts, 1.7 Reb	6'5
4-PF	Pearl Hicks	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.3 Pts, 3.0 Reb	6'7
5-C	Jack Butler	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	1.8 Pts, 1.8 Reb	6'5
	16 Turnovers	78	7	23	11	16	40	5	7	19
Pos	Oregon St. 1982	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Season Actual	Hts
1-PG	William Brew	7	1	0	4	6	2	2	1	3	6'1,9.2 ppg	6'2
2-SG	Lester Conner	19	2	3	7	10	5	2	1	4	6'4,14.9 ppg, NBA	6'2
3-SF	Danny Evans	14	1	5	1	3	3	1	0	3	6'5,11.3 ppg	6'6
4-PF	Charlie Sitton	10	2	2	0	0	3	0	0	1	6'8,12.9 ppg, NBA	6'7
5-C	A.C. Green	8	0	3	2	2	6	0	1	5	6'9,8.6 ppg, NBA	6'11
1-PG	Alan Tait	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'2,0.5 ppg	6'3
2-SG	Jamie Stangel	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'7,1.4 ppg	6'7
3-SF	Jeff Wilson	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'7,1.2 ppg	6'7
4-PF	Rob Holbrook	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'86.7 ppg	6'9
5-C	Greg Wiltjer	2	0	1	0	0	1	2	0	1	6'11,5.4 ppg	6'9
	13 turnovers	62	6	15	14	21	24	7	3	21

Record-holder AC Green Lead's Oregon State vs WKU for Last Final 4 Spot

The Value Add Basketball Game cards for all 200 teams are in good order and should not require any reprints, but we are adding little things as we continue to play games such as suggestions on any players you may want to start with something but other than 2 points before the first die roll. 

For our final Elite 8 game of this tournament, we did catch a very minor item in that we listed "Stamina 0" for Western Kentucky's Mike Fawcett, Butch Kaufman and Norm Weaver, however every player should get a minimum of "Stamina 5" so we have updated. We do not recommend any of the three players normally play any of the 44 possessions in a Value Add game since all likely played less than 11 possessions per game - so the "None" is correct, but if they come in for someone who fouled out or to put one more player who can hit a 3-pointer or get a steal near the end of a game, all players start with at least 5 in Stamina to play at full strength for 5 possessions. You can print the WKU team below by going to List H and printing page 22.

If you then go to List F and print page 12 you get the Oregon State team below. This was early in AC Green's career, so he isn't as dominant as he would get, but he did jump in a starter as a freshman on the great Oregon State squad. 

In the dunk ranges (51-66) this is the most defensive battle we recall. Western Kentucky is a 51-56 but Oregon State's defense of -6 erases that so there are no automatic dunks from 51-66 and you go straight to the player's 20-sided die. Oregon State starts with 0 dunks (51-50) and with Western Kentucky's -5 that results in a STOP range meaning a 51-55 is a missed shot and the defender gets a rebound.

Note on the Oregon State cards that three reserves averaged fewer than 2 points per game, so we will start them at 0 points as we start in a 20-20 tie for the first due roll - and to make up those 6 points we have suggested on the cards starting the first four starters with a 3-pointer made instead of a 2-pointer made for 3 points, and then starting Green with 4 points based on two 2-point shots made.

Green isn't too likely to miss the game injured for anything as he would go on to set the record by playing in 1,192 consecutive NBA games and overall his NBA teams had a 782-496 record. He was also known for being a virgin through his entire career until getting married after his career. He also did not smoke or drink, including not spraying champaign in locker rooms.

He won awards from Athletes in Action and Humanitarian groups. In other words, while as a freshman he wasn't yet the best player on the team but he was already very good - and he is a better person than you and me and anyone else on the team LOL. 

Oregon State was our 2-seed in this tournament, but with a rating of +2 they are only a slight favorite against WKU (-2). That is a 4-point gap for 100 possessions for each team, but that would be a 3-point favorite for a game of around 70 possessions.

Note we put the suggested starting points on the cards and also all the starting numbers on the starting box score along with the starting stats from the Value Add Basketball Game scoresheet.

Pos	Western Kentucky	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Season Actual	Ht
1-PG	Dwight Smith	3	1	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	16.1 Pts, 9.9 Reb	6'5
2-SG	Clem Haskins	3	1	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	20.4 Pts, 10.0 Reb	6'3
3-SF	Wayne Chapman	2	0	1	0	0	2	0	0	1	13.3 Pts, 4.3 Reb	6'6
4-PF	Greg Smith	2	0	1	0	0	2	0	0	1	9.5 Pts, 10.3 Reb	6'5
5-C	Steve Cunningham	2	0	1	0	0	2	0	1	1	15.1 Pts, 7.4 Reb	6'5
1-PG	Mike Fawcett	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.1 Pts, 0.6 Reb	5'10
2-SG	Butch Kaufman	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	4.0 Pts, 1.0 Reb	5'10
3-SF	Norm Weaver	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.9 Pts, 1.7 Reb	6'5
4-PF	Pearl Hicks	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	2.3 Pts, 3.0 Reb	6'7
5-C	Jack Butler	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	1.8 Pts, 1.8 Reb	6'5
	10 Turnovers	20	2	7	0	0	13	2	1	10
Pos	Oregon St. 1982	Pts	3pt	2pt	FT	Att	Reb	Stl	Blk	Fl	Season Actual	Ht
1-PG	William Brew	3	1	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	6'1,9.2 ppg	6'2
2-SG	Lester Conner	3	1	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	6'4,14.9 ppg,NBA	6'2
3-SF	Danny Evans	3	1	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	6'5,11.3 ppg	6'6
4-PF	Charlie Sitton	3	1	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	6'8,12.9 ppg,NBA	6'7
5-C	A.C. Green	4	0	2	0	0	2	0	1	1	6'9,8.6 ppg,NBA	6'11
1-PG	Alan Tait	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'2,0.5 ppg	6'3
2-SG	Jamie Stangel	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'7,1.4 ppg	6'7
3-SF	Jeff Wilson	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'7,1.2 ppg	6'7
4-PF	Rob Holbrook	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'86.7 ppg	6'9
5-C	Greg Wiltjer	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	6'11,5.4 ppg	6'9
	11 turnovers	20	4	4	0	0	13	2	1	10

We will add results after, which will set our Final 4 for this tournament.