Tuesday, January 28, 2020

Index of 96 All-Time Great Teams and Top Performances

To make it easier to find the results for your favorite team, the bottom of this blog features an index of all 96 great teams in alphabetical order, with a line for each game they played, and their team's leader in points, rebounds, steals and blocked shots during that game. First, we list the best performances to date in each of those categories.  (Click here for the free game and all player cards)

Most Points

The shootout between Purdue 1969 and Oklahoma 1985 produced the two biggest scoring performances through 75 tournament games. Mount scored 33 for Purdue, but Tisdale topped him with 35 for Oklahoma. Arizona 1997's Bibby put up 32 against the weakest defense in the tournament, Maravich's 1970 LSU squad. Here are the top 15 scorers.


RnkPointsYearSchoolPtsOpponent
1Tisdale1985Oklahoma35Purdue 1969
2Mount1969Purdue33Oklahoma
3Bibby1997Arizona32LSU
3Wilkins1982Georgia32Oklahoma St
5Williams-Goss2017Gonzaga31Cincinnati
5Duncan1996Wake Forest31Duke
7Bird1979Indiana St.30UCLA
7Hayes1968Houston30Kansas
9Recker2001Iowa29Arizona
9Robertson1960Cincinnati29Gonzaga
11Maravich1970LSU28Arizona
11Thompson1974North Carolina St.28Seton Hall
11Hayes1968Houston28Texas Tech
14Ellis1977Marquette27Utah
14Rice1989Michigan27Ohio St.

Most Rebounds


Two of the biggest upsets in the tournament were the result of ridiculous rebounding performances, and Patrick Ewing scored 22 to lead Georgetown 1984 past Maryland 2002, and Tim Duncan grabbed 20 to lead Wake Forest 1996 to the biggest upset in the first 75 games over the Kentucky team they actually feel to in the tournament that year.

RnkReboundsYearSchoolRebOpponent
1Ewing1984Georgetown22Maryland 2002
2Duncan1996Wake Forest20Duke
3Berry1985St. John's17Seton Hall
3Imhoff1959California17Missouri
5Dekker2015Wisconsin16Illinois
6Wilkins1982Georgia15Oklahoma St
6Jones1970Notre Dame15St. Joe's
8Beasley2008Kansas St.14Georgetown
8Duncan1996Wake Forest14Kentucky
8Davison1997Arizona14Syracuse
11Whitehead1977Marquette13Utah
11Duncan1996Wake Forest13Pittsburgh
11Hayes1968Houston13Texas Tech
11Spellman2018Villanova13West Virginia
11Kelser1979Michigan St.13Notre Dame
11Tisdale1985Oklahoma13Purdue 1969
11Walton1972UCLA13Oregon
11Flournoy1966Texas Southern13Marquette
11Davis2012Kentucky13North Carolina


Steals


Jack of Georgia Tech 2004 and Coverdale of Indiana 2002 both plucked 8 steals from opponents.

RnkStealsYearSchoolStlOpponent
1Jack2004Georgia Tech8Virginia
1Coverdale2002Indiana8Oklahoma
3Allen2004Oklahoma St.6Davidson
3Mount1969Purdue6Oklahoma
3Jack2004Georgia Tech6Wake Forest 2005
3Magic1979Michigan St.6Notre Dame
3Harkness1963Loyola-Chicago6Missouri
3Nelson2004St. Joe's6Notre Dame
9Lee1977Marquette5Texas Southern
9Skinn2006George Mason5Auburn
9Jordan1982North Carolina5LSU
9Williams-Goss2017Gonzaga5Cincinnati

Blocked Shots


Wilt Chamberlain blocked 8 shots in a losing effort against Elvin Hayes and Houston, while Gola for La Salle 1954 is the only other player with at least 6.

RnkBlocksYearSchoolBlkOpponent
1Chamberlain1957Kansas8Houston
2Gola1954La Salle6Michigan St.
3Bell2017Oregon5UCLA
3Thompson1974North Carolina St.5North Carolina 2005
3Duncan1996Wake Forest5Duke
6Jackson2003Marquette4West Virginia
6Hummer1965Princeton4Syracuse
6Butler2011West Virginia4Marquette
6Mikan1945DePaul4Gonzaga
6Beasley2008Kansas St.4Georgetown
6Stipanovich1982Missouri4California
6Chaney1968Houston4Texas Tech
6Stipanovich1982Missouri4Loyola-Chicago
6Ewing1984Georgetown4Maryland 2002
6Duncan1996Wake Forest4Kentucky
6Benson1976Indiana4Indiana 2002
6Okafor2004Connecticut4Kansas St.
6Newton2002Indiana4Indiana 2002
6Owens2019Texas Tech4Houston
6Davis2012Kentucky4North Carolina
6Noah2006Florida4Auburn 2019

Biggest Upset


As mentioned, Tim Duncan's upset of Kentucky 67-64 is the biggest upset of the tournament so far, with Wake Forest given only a 27% chance of winning. Two SEC teams were the next big upset winners, with Dominique Wilkins leading Georgia past the first dynasty in Oklahoma A&M (later Oklahoma State) from 1946 and Auburn's 2019 at full strength with Chuma Okeke upsetting Florida 2006. Through 75 tournament games, here are the other upsets.

RnkBiggest UpsetYearW%SeedScoreOpponentScoreLeader
1Wake Forest199627%#16E67Kentucky64Duncan
2Georgia198230%#23S82Oklahoma St80Wilkins
2Auburn201930%#11S87Florida81Okeke
4Michigan St.200933%#14M79Ohio St.78Lucas
5Oklahoma198536%#13M87Purdue 196986Tisdale
6Georgetown198440%#11E79Maryland 200271Ewing
6Kansas St.200840%#21M85Georgetown79Beasley
6Ohio St.200740%#11M70Michigan60Conley
6West Virginia201140%#20E77Marquette74Butler
10Duke201044%#9E64Connecticut60Smith
10Auburn198444%#19S67West Virginia66Person
10Auburn201944%#11S79Arkansas 199478Brown
10San Diego St.201144%#19W70Michigan68Leonard
14Arizona201547%#10W74San Francisco67Hollis-Jefferson
14Notre Dame197047%#18M74St. Joe's73Carr
14Seton Hall198947%#18E76St. John's75Gaze

Biggest Blowouts


Memphis 2008 blowout of Louisville by 30 was the most lopsided win of the great teams. Elvin Hayes demolished Kansas' despite Wilt Chamberlain, and Bobby Knight's 1976 Indiana team put it to the Indiana Final Four team from right after Knight was let go.

RnkSchoolYearScoreOpponentScoreMarginLeaderPts
1Memphis200882Louisville5230Douglas-Roberts17
2Houston196880Kansas5723Hayes30
2Indiana197672Indiana 20024923Abernathy20
4Illinois200577Wichita St.5522Williams18
5Kansas200887Tennessee6819Collins16
6Kentucky201276Georgia5818Davis20
7Syracuse198779Princeton6217Monroe15
7Villanova201883Syracuse6617DiVincenzo19
9Cincinnati200279Loyola-Chicago6316Logan17
9Duke199277Navy6116Laettner17

Best Team Defense


That Indiana blowout was the best defensive performance with only 49 points allowed, but no surprise the 2019 Virginia was right behind them as well as Gonzaga shutting down the second oldest team in the tourney in George Mikan's 1945 DePaul team in a close defensive struggle. New: Magic Johnson's 1979 Michigan State just defeated Wisconsin 2015 by a 68-54 to tie for the 6th best defensive performance.

RnkDefenseYearScoreOpponentScoreStealsTotBlocksTot
1Indiana197672Indiana 200249Wilkerson2Benson4
2Virginia201958Georgetown 198451Hunter3Diakite3
2Gonzaga201755DePaul51Williams-Goss3Williams2
4Memphis200882Louisville52Rose4Rose1
4Auburn201964George Mason52Brown2Wiley2
5Texas Southern196654Marquette53Artis3Flournoy1
6Marquette197753Texas Southern54Lee5Whitehead1
7Illinois200577Wichita St.55Head3Brown1
7DePaul194551Gonzaga55Furman2Mikan4
9Houston196880Kansas57Reynolds3Hayes3
9Duke201069Butler57Scheyer4Scheyer3
9Indiana197669Purdue 201857Benson4Abernathy2



Highest Scoring Team


On the flip side, King helped lead Tennessee to a 90-79 shootout over Texas, the highest scoring offensive performance. In overtime games, we do list the score after regulation and add one point for the winner in overtime to give a more realistic picture of the game being close.

RnkSchoolYearScoreOpponentScoreLeaderTot
1Tennessee197790Texas79King24
2Arizona201589Iowa88Tarczewski18
3Iowa200188Arizona89Recker29
4Auburn201987Florida81Okeke20
4Oklahoma198587Purdue 196986Tisdale35
4Kansas200887Tennessee68Collins16
7Purdue196986Oklahoma87Mount33
7Florida200686Auburn 198474Green19
9Kansas St.200885Georgetown79Beasley24
9Arizona199785LSU77Bibby32

Index of All 96 Teams - With Game-High Points, Rebounds, Blocks and Steals


The following is an index of the game played by each of the 96 great teams in the tournament so you can find your favorite team without looking through all the brackets.









Sunday, January 26, 2020

RIP Kobe

For anyone who did not see TMZ yet, RIP Kobe Bryant.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-killed-dead-helicopter-crash-in-calabasas/


Saturday, January 25, 2020

Considering These Additional Teams for Value Add Basketball Game Player Cards

In addition to the 96 teams for which we made player cards for the Value Add Basketball Game, we are considering 36 teams in each of the areas of the big six conferences. The following is a list of which teams we are considering and how good I believe each is overall on offense, defense and overall. I also list if they were the champion or runner up. The teams in bold are the 96 already in the game. You may question why the 2001 Duke team is not in the initial set of cards, and that was a trap year between the 20th century cards we did with traditional stats and the modern stats calculations, which actually started in 2002.


PredACC and Atlantic Coast TeamsYearOFFENSEDEFENSETOTALChamp?Game Cards?
1Duke200123.466.7230.18Champ
2North Carolina State197422.326.7329.05ChampYes
3North Carolina200523.524.928.42ChampYes
4Duke201014.1713.0427.21Champyes
5North Carolina199316.2110.8327.04Champ
6Duke201518.288.6926.97Champ
7Duke201917.489.4126.9
8North Carolina201717.928.9126.83Champ
9Virginia20195.0820.3825.46ChampYes
10North Carolina200923.851.625.45Champ
11Louisville201312.7712.0424.81ChampYes
12Duke199218.166.5224.68ChampYes
13North Carolina199815.157.5222.67
14Louisville198614.038.6122.64Champ
15North Carolina198619.232.922.13
16Syracuse199610.3710.6220.99Runner-up
17North Carolina19826.2113.9620.17ChampYes
18Louisville198011.078.519.57ChampYes
19North Carolina State19838.9310.2919.22Champ
20Syracuse200314.274.7519.02ChampYes
21Georgia Tech200410.68.0618.66Runner-upYes
22Syracuse198712.984.9917.97Runner-upYes
23Pittsburgh20035.4612.0417.5
24Pittsburgh200910.177.0417.21Yes
25Notre Dame197415.11.6516.75
26Wake Forest200518.23-1.9916.24Yes
27Virginia19814.849.7514.59Yes
28Wake Forest1996-0.8415.0914.25Yes
29Boston College20018.715.2813.99
30Virginia Tech197611.322.0113.33
31Florida State198914.2-3.0711.13
32Virginia Commonwealth19853.626.6210.24
33Davidson20086.493.449.93Yes
34Notre Dame197015.19-6.78.49Yes
35George Mason2006-0.098.218.12Yes
36Virginia Commonwealth20114.20.364.56Yes
PredBig 12 and Midwestern TeamsYearOFFENSEDEFENSETOTALIn Game?
1Kansas200814.911.9926.89ChampYes
2Kansas199225.25
3Memphis200813.4610.2823.74Runner-upYes
4Kansas200315.067.9423Runner-up
5Texas Tech20195.9516.8422.79Runner-upYes
6Kansas199717.674.9322.6
7Houston198317.15.3622.46Runner-up
8Kansas201211.1710.5521.72Runner-up
9Kansas19578.0212.9220.94Runner-upYes
10Oklahoma St194612.717.8220.53ChampYes
11West Virginia201712.637.8320.46
12Houston196814.35.7420.04Yes
13Texas-El Paso19664.6415.2319.87champYes
14Kansas195214.325.5119.83Champ
15Kansas19884.5415.1719.71Champ
16Texas Christian199823.81-5.6818.13
17West Virginia195918.79-1.6117.18Runner-upYes
18Oklahoma20027.439.6117.04
19Oklahoma State20048.548.316.84Yes
20Saint Joseph's20049.017.0316.04Yes
21Saint Joseph's196612.143.7515.89
22Oklahoma201610.914.8515.76Yes
23Baylor20172.8912.8615.75
24Oklahoma State201717.23-2.0415.19
25Texas200312.312.614.91Yes
26Southern Methodist20173.8310.8814.71
27Oklahoma198519.98-6.0813.9Yes
28Memphis State197310.273.2613.53Runner-up
29West Virginia20113.648.5112.15Yes
30Kansas State200810.611.1711.78Yes
31Air Force2007-1.8913.0911.2
32Tulsa19973.667.3310.99
33Texas Tech19967.523.3410.86
34Wichita State20133.467.2210.68Yes
35Navy19866.772.739.5Yes
36Missouri State1987-5.6711.365.69
PredBig East and Northeastern TeamsYearOFFENSEDEFENSETOTALChamp?In Game?
1Villanova201817.88.8426.64ChampYes
2Connecticut199911.6213.1224.74ChampYes
3Georgetown19848.1814.5722.75ChampYes
4Connecticut200414.178.4722.64ChampYes
5Connecticut199422.63
6Georgetown199622.63
7Cincinnati196016.645.7822.42Yes
8Seton Hall198911.29.7120.91Runner-upYes
9Cincinnati20029.5910.7920.38Yes
10Connecticut201110.239.7219.95Champ
11St. John's (NY)199911.417.318.71
12New York University195012.985.718.68Champ
13Marquette1977-0.4419.1218.68ChampYes
14Villanova197112.016.618.61Runner-up
15Massachusetts19966.0311.3617.39
16Villanova19967.458.8916.34
17St. Bonaventure19706.848.815.64
18Georgetown20073.0812.5415.62Yes
19Xavier199813.112.3515.46
20Duquesne1954-1.6415.8914.25
21St. John's (NY)19858.555.5414.09Yes
22Creighton201410.143.8914.03Yes
23Villanova19854.089.9514.03ChampYes
24Butler20116.067.4813.54Runner-upYes
25Temple1994-7.6521.0213.37
26DePaul19844.078.6112.68
27Holy Cross194710.5212.5Champ
28Rhode Island199713.36-0.8612.5
29Marquette200310.31.9812.28Yes
30Marquette1994-3.4515.0911.64
31Providence20014.754.999.74
32Pennsylvania1972-2.311.599.29
33Marquette1968-3.0110.517.5
34Marquette1972-4.611.617.01
35Princeton19651.534.676.2Yes
36DePaul1945-4.868.493.63Yes
PredBig Ten and Midwest TeamsYearOFFENSEDEFENSETOTALChamp?In Game?
1Indiana197612.2418.2930.53ChampYes
2Michigan198919.847.7927.63ChampYes
3Indiana199214.1711.8526.02
4Ohio State196021.544.3525.89ChampYes
5Michigan State200010.0714.9725.04Champ
6Michigan State201924.93
7Michigan State19799.115.4324.53ChampYes
8Maryland200218.25.323.5ChampYes
9Loyola (IL)196320.782.6523.43ChampYes
10Indiana198714.887.8122.69Champ
11Wisconsin20159.5313.0822.61Runner-upYes
12Illinois200511.2310.8822.11Runner-upYes
13Ohio State201111.3910.4521.84
14Purdue196921.20.3921.59Runner-upYes
15Ohio State200710.9810.5621.54Runner-upYes
16Michigan201313.477.8221.29Runner-upYes
17Indiana1981516.1821.18Champ
18Indiana201314.846.0620.9
19Illinois198914.186.4920.67
20Ohio State199210.729.6120.33
21Purdue201810.918.5119.42Yes
22Minnesota199710.229.1219.34
23Indiana20025.5313.6619.19Runner-upYes
24Michigan20184.2114.8219.03Runner-up
25Michigan196515.863.0318.89Runner-up
26La Salle19549.559.1718.72ChampYes
27Michigan197613.484.7718.25Runner-up
28Michigan State20099.338.3917.72Runner-upYes
29Iowa State201710.545.9716.51
30Indiana State197913.083.3216.4Runner-upYes
31Iowa19567.956.6614.61Runner-up
32Nebraska199114.190.2714.46
33Wisconsin194129.511.5Champ
34Cleveland State198614.5-4.789.72
35Iowa20025.243.158.39Yes
36Loyola (IL)2018-1.357.736.38Yes
PredPac-12 and Western TeamsYearOFFENSEDEFENSETOTALChamp?In Game?
1UCLA197219.9313.8733.8ChampYes
2UCLA196716.5712.8229.39Champ
3Nevada-Las Vegas199122.085.0327.11Yes
4Arizona200115.6811.1626.84Runner-up
5UCLA199517.468.2825.74Champ
6Arizona198911.9511.9823.93
7Arizona199718.595.0123.6ChampYes
8Gonzaga201711.7911.4723.26Runner-upYes
9San Francisco19562.7319.3122.04ChampYes
10Arizona201511.249.0920.33Yes
11California19590.1918.5818.77Champyes
12UCLA20063.1914.1517.34Runner-upYes
13Oregon State19823.7113.5617.27
14Utah19982.7214.3417.06Runner-upYes
15Utah20154.0912.8916.98
16Oregon20177.529.2916.81Yes
17UCLA201718.52-1.8516.67
18Stanford200816.31
19Washington201116.29-0.1716.12
20UCLA19809.895.7815.67Runner-up
21Brigham Young201113.830.8214.65
22Stanford194286.514.5Champ
23Seattle195815.7-1.5814.12Runner-upYes
24San Diego State20113.2810.6813.96Yes
25Cal State Long Beach1974310.8113.81
26Oregon19394.5913.5Champ
27Wyoming19811.0812.2213.3
28California19975.847.413.24
29Wyoming19434.48.512.9ChampYes
30Saint Mary's (CA)2017-0.9113.6612.75
31Nevada20197.44.6112.01
32Fresno State200111.080.5711.65
33New Mexico20124.646.9611.6
34Idaho19822.717.9210.63
35Utah State20051.57.258.75
36Washington State1941055Runner-up
PredSEC and Deep South TeamsYearOFFENSEDEFENSETOTALChamp?In Game?
1Kentucky199624.67.5432.14ChampYes
2Kentucky201511.5517.1828.73
3Kentucky201214.9711.7526.72ChampYes
4Arkansas199421.174.7125.88ChampYes
5Florida200018.494.9923.48Runner-up
6Florida200613.248.9722.21ChampYes
7Kentucky197810.4710.4820.95Champ
8Auburn199911.918.6320.54
9Kentucky196612.777.4220.19Runner-up
10Florida20135.9113.9519.86
11Jacksonville197016.833.0219.85Runner-up
12Kentucky19866.7711.0317.8
13Kentucky20196.3111.1217.43
14Texas A&M20077.349.9417.28
15Auburn201911.125.7216.84Yes
16Louisiana State199213.652.5716.22
17Alabama198710.345.0815.42
18Georgia19917.586.9814.56
19Missouri19825.748.3314.07Yes
20Kentucky19495.58.514Champ
21Mississippi State20031.9911.6613.65
22Louisiana State20066.796.7513.54Yes
23South Carolina20173.210.3213.52Yes
24Mississippi199810.382.8313.21
25Vanderbilt20165.457.7513.2
26Western Kentucky19662.0310.1112.14
27Tennessee197711.79-0.810.99Yes
28Alabama-Birmingham1994-3.2513.9610.71
29Alabama19778.631.6210.25Yes
30South Alabama198912.92-3.49.52
31Belmont20117.391.689.07
32Auburn19847.890.988.87Yes
33Alcorn State198011.81-5.026.79
34James Madison1982-6.2112.896.68
35Georgia19823.013.156.16Yes
36Louisiana State197015.78-14.21.58Yes

All-Time Sweet 16 Takes Shape

We are playing third round games, so some Sweet 16 teams are in place while others still await one more game. Here is the bracket to date, with the seed each team was in their All-time Great Region. If a game still needs to be played, then I list the better seeds spot and then who they still need to defeat to make the Sweet 16.


Since the bracket above was produced, here are the results of games between teams trying to make the Sweet 16:

  1. Duke 80, Wake Forest 77 (OT)
  2. Villanova 83, Syracuse 66
  3. UVa 58, Georgetown 51
  4. Michigan State 68, Wisconsin 54
  5. Ohio State vs. Michigan State
  6. UConn vs. Oklahoma
  7. Cincinnati vs. Missouri
  8. UNLV vs. Arizona
  9. Louisville vs Texas Southern (UTEP)


The seeding indicates where I believe a team would finish if thousands of games were simulated, but the roll of the dice gives the chance for upsets. The following are teams that were top 4 seeds in their region, meaning I believe they were one of the 16 best teams of the 96 all-time great teams in the game, so more times than not they would make the all-time Sweet 16 but in this tournament they were upset.

Florida 2006
Kentucky 1996
Ohio St. 1960
Purdue 1969

Finally, I only allowed each team to have a maximum of one team for each century in the 96-team tournament. I will add some more great teams, though a team can still not have overlapping players (e.g. you can't take the 1967 through 1973 UCLA teams, we will only add the 1968 team of Lew Alcindor to the game to go with Bill Walton's tam in the 1970s. However, even with that stipulation, I believe these six teams would have made the Suite 16 if I included them in the game by allowing schools to have more than one team per century.

Arkansas 1990
Duke 1999
Duke 2015
Kentucky 2015
North Carolina 1993

UCLA 1968

Friday, January 17, 2020

Results of all Round 3 Games - Winners Advance to All-Time Sweet 16

New Note: Magic Johnson and Michigan State make Sweet 16 with win over Wisconsin, while Oscar Robertson (the Big ) guides 1960 Cincinnati to the Sweet 16 to make them the earliest team in the Sweet 16 as the 1940s and 1950s teams have all lost. UNLV 1991 also makes the sweet 16. Michael Jordan (21 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals) lead his 1982 UNC team against Anthony Davis (24 points, 13 rebounds, 2 steals, 4 blocked shots) and his Kentucky 2012 team as the biggest blue blood game of our 3rd round of all-time great teams. Click here for free player cards for all 96 great teams and the updated "quick start" instructions so you can play your own games. We are considering making cards for these 216 great all-time teams


While AD had the edge in overall stats, MJ and the TarHeels kept a lead the whole way with Kentucky finally cutting it to 54-53 with 7:54 (13 possessions) to play.

However, Sam Perkins scored and was fouled to make it 57-53, then UNC had 2 stops followed by 3-pointers by James Worthy and Matt Dougherty to take control 63-54 and the Wildcats never threatened again. The scoresheet is below followed by the other 3rd round games to get down to the all-time Sweet 16.



It turned out half the teams advancing are from the 21st century while the other 16 range from 1957 (Wilt Chamberlain's Kansas) to 1997 (Mike Bibby's Arizona).

The accounts of the 32 second round games are posted here and here. The accounts of the 1st round games (9 seeds through 24 seeds) are posted by region - East, West, Midwest and South. In the 1st round games (#24 seeds through #9 seeds) underdogs pull upsets only 28% of the time (9-23), while in the 2nd round (winners vs. #1 to $8 seeds) underdogs pulled upsets 38% of the time (12-20).

Below are the brackets leading up to the 3rd round games, and we list the results of the 3rd round games above each Regional Bracket:

West Bracket and Results


West: UCLA #1 Overall Seed, Winner Faces East Region Champ in Semifinals. 3rd round: #1 UCLA (1972) 78, #9 Arizona (1997) - Arizona's Mike Bibby out scored his dad Henry Bibby 15-11 in the match-up of shooting guards, but Bill Walton (10 pts, 9 Reb) pulled away to advance to the 4th round. #4 Cincinnati (1960) 68, #12 Missouri (1982) 58. Missouri appeared on the verge of an upset when Ricky Frazier drew a 4th foul on the Big O Oscar Robertson and hit both free throws to give Missouri a 38-35 lead with 16:22 (27 possessions) left to play. For the next 17 possessions Robertson played to avoid a foul (see advanced rules in italics below) which gave Frazier some easy baskets but did manage to keep him in the game. Cincinnati finally took the lead for good when Ralph Davis hit the first of two free throws to tie the game 48-48 and then center Paul Hogue grabbed the offensive rebound on the second miss (on missed free throws the offense can only get the rebound if the Center or Power Forward gets in on the chart, or if one of those two is shooting then the Small Forward can get it. Hogue hit the stickback for a 3-point trip to make it 50-48 in a game that was played without 3-point shots because both teams played without the 3-point line. Robertson finished with 24 points and 14 rebounds to get a chance at the No. 1 overall seed in Bill Walton and UCLA in the Sweet 16. #2 UNLV (1991) 75, #10 Arizona (2015) 71. The great backcourt of TJ McConnell (19 points, 3 steals) and Stanley Johnson (13, 1) helped Arizona to a 44-40 lead with 16:22 (27 possessions) to play. However, from there UNLV took over inside with Larry Johnson (16 points, 8 rebounds, 4 steals) and Stacey Augmon (18, 3, 5) for a 33-19 run to make it 73-63 before Augmon fouled out with 2:39 (4 possessions) to play and UNLV held on for the win.

Avoiding Fouls (advanced rules)

If a key player gets his 4th foul, you can choose to have him play to avoid fouling. If a player is trying to avoid fouling, he only commits a foul if the foul is in his 33-36 range AND the 20-sided die also refers to a foul drawn on the offensive player.

However, if the player is avoiding a foul then all rolls of 31 to 36 on his card become baskets for the player he is guarding even if a roll would have resulted in a blocked shot or steal AND on any roll on the 20-sided die (see below) that would have resulted in a foul instead becomes a 2-point basket. If a player with an 11-20 steal range is avoiding a foul then he can still steal on a roll of 31 on another player's card but if the player he is guarding has the ball then a 31 scores a basket. Likewise if a player with a 21-30 who would normally block all shots on a 32 does still block the shot unless the player he is guarding has the ball, in which case he scores.

#6 Texas Southern (UTEP, 1966) 82, #3 Louisville (2013) 76. After regular season games that included Louisville's pressure defense dismantling 2004 UConn and then the same high pressure handling Kawhi Leonard's San Diego State, we thought the best pressure team in the tournament might win the whole thing. However, the Texas Southern team that made history in the real 1966 title with the first all-Black starting line-up to play in a title game beating Adolph Rupp's all-white Kentucky team was the perfect team to exploit Louisville's one weakness - rebounding. Texas Southern put together the only +20 rebounding game in the tourney we recall, with a 43-23 rebounding edge that included on basket after 6 consecutive offensive rebounds. Bobby Joe Hull lead the way with 5 steals and 14 points while Save Layton scoring 19 and grabbing 10 rebounds to offset Russ Smith's 22 points. Texas Southern barely made this game with a 54-53 win over Al McGuire's 1977 Marquette team but now will be the only "non-chalk" team in the West as they play 2-seed UNLV in the Sweet 16.

Round 3 of the West Region is complete.


East Bracket and Results


East: Kentucky #4 Overall Seed, Winner Faces West Region Champ in Semifinals: #2 NC State (1974) 68, UNC (2005) 67. Towes and David Thompson combined for 41 points, both had 3 steals and Thompson added 5 blocked shots, but Rashad McCant's capped 17-7 run with a fast break 3-pointers to give UNC a brief 67-66 lead. Tim Stoddard was fouled on am offensive rebound and hit both free throws, and UNC turned it over without getting off a potential game-winner. #9 Duke (2010) 80, #16 Wake Forest (1996) 77 in OT. Tim Duncan's all-time game (31 points, 20 rebounds, 5 blocked shots, 12 fouls drawn) appeared to have led a second upset when Jerry Braswell's 3-pointer gave Wake Forest a 68-65 lead on their final possession of regulation. However, Nolan Smith beat the buzzer with a 3-pointer to send the game to OT, and then scored 5 more in OT for an 80-77 Duke win. #3 Virginia (2019) 58, #11 Georgetown (1984) 51. Georgetown's mediocre offense shockingly scored their first two trips against UVa's incredible defense - but then scored a total of 2 points in their next 14 trips down the court. UVa just missed tying for the best defensive performance in 74 tournament games to date when the Hoya's Gene Smith stole the ball and scored at the end to break 50 points in UVa's 58-51 win to advance to the all-time Sweet 16 where they will play David Thompson and the 1974 champs from NC State who destroyed UCLA in the real tournament that year to end their title run. Kyle Guy and Braxton Key scored a team high 13 each, but UVa won with their incredible defense - packing it in against Patrick Ewing (12 rebounds and 3 blocks, but only 5 points). David Wingate scored 15 including a couple of stickbacks and offensive rebounds, but no other Hoya scored more than 6 points against the toughest set defense if the tournament so far (51-62 on the 11-66 roll were the highest range of team stops in a game yet). Only 1976 Indiana, the last team to go undefeated in a real season, allowed fewer points with 49 points allowed. It was only the 12th game of 74 in which a team was held below 60 - and the only other game in which both teams scored below 60 was Texas Southern 1966 (first all-Black lineup to win a title) in their 54-53 win against Marquette 1977.

The best defensive performances in the first 74 tourney games:


  1. 49 allowed by Indiana 1976 (vs IND 2002)
  2. 51 allowed by UVA 2019 (vs gtown 1984)
  3. 52 allowed by both Memphis 2008 and Auburn 2019 (vs GMU 2006 and Louisville 1980)
  4. 53 allowed by Texas Southern 1966 (vs Marquette 1977)
  5. 54 allowed by Marquette 1977 (vs Tex So)
#4 Villanova (2018) 83, #12 Syracuse (1987) 66. Villanova ran away early for a 66-43 lead with 9:43 (16 possessions) to play. Donte DiVincenzo led with 19 points, not as many as he scored in the domination of the real 2018 title game. Greg Monroe almost matched him with 17, but Nova advances to play 2010 Duke.

Round 3 in the East is complete.


Midwest Bracket and Results


Midwest: Indiana #2 Overall Seed, Winner Faces South Region Champ in Semifinals. #1 Indiana (1976) 69, #8 Purdue (2018) 57. Purdue's feared 3-point shooting shot Carsen Edwards and crew to a 43-29 lead with 16:58 (28 possessions) to go, but Scott May and Quinn Buckner's dominant steals (13-6 Indiana edge) and the Hoosiers 39-31 rebounding edge helped them go on a 20-3 run from that point to lead 49-46 and never look back. #2 Michigan State (1979) 68, #7 Wisconsin (2015) 54. Magic's team gets to the free throw line and hits shots once there, as they drew 24 fouls to only 12 for Wisconsin - and four of the five Badger starters had three fouls or more. Bronson Koenig hit a 3-pointer to start play, but scoring was tough after that, with Frank Kaminsky the only Badger who could get free (16 points, 7 rebounds). Wisconsin pulled within 31-33 when Sam Dekker blocked a shot by Greg Kelser, but Kelser grabbed the rebound and then Dekker committed his 4th foul. With the score 45-49, Dekker fouled out and with him out of the game the Spartans dominated 19-9 for the 68-54 win. Mike Brkovich led with 20 points, while Kelser added 19 and Magic Johnson was key to the defense with 3 steals and 3 blocked shots. #13 Oklahoma (1985) 81, UConn (2004) 78. The late, great Wayman Tisdale pulled off another upset with a 26 point, 14 rebound, four steal game to help Oklahoma nudge past favored 5-seed UConn. The Sooners led most of the way, but Ben Gordon hit consecutive 3-pointers and then one trip later was fouled and hit both free throws to tie the game 68-68. Gordon actually played much of the season off the bench, though we start him and in the real game he was the No. 3 pick in the NBA after that season and is the 2nd all-time 3-point shooter for the Chicago Bulls. The Sooners will not face the second No. 1 seed in the entire tournament, the 1976 Hoosiers of Bobby Knight.

#14 Michigan State (2009) 69, #11 Ohio State (2007). The one game that guaranteed a surprise Sweet 16 team came down to the final possession, as Ohio State's Ivan Harris missed in the closing seconds and then both Mike Conley and Greg Oden tapped up shots off offensive rebounds before Michigan State's Form Suton grabbed a rebound to secure the win. Draymond Green started the game by going to the hoop and drawing a foul for 2 shots, but Ohio State dominated much of the game for a 51-40 lead with 13:20 (22 possessions) to play. Kalin Lucas then led a personal 9-2 run on 4 trips with a bucket, steal, bucket, 3-pointer and then steal to out Michigan State back on top 55-53 with 9:06 (13 possessions) left to play. The win pits the freshman Green against another Michigan State 1979 with Magic Johnson. The 1979 team was a 2-seed and this one of 10 favored team (a 1- to 4-seeds) to make the Sweet 16 while the 14-seed 2009 team was the lowest seed of 6 surprise teams.


South Bracket and Results

South: Kansas Overall #3 seed, Winner Faces Midwest Region Champ in Semifinals; #11 Auburn (2019) 87, #3 Florida (2006) 81 - Chuma Okeke (20 pts, 7 Reb, 4 steals) and Joakim Noah (18 pts, 4 blocked shots) were a classic battle of PF but if Okeke were not injured before the final 4 they likely would have one the title handily, and they kept alive in the all-time with this upset. UNC prevailed with Michael Jordan despite a dominant performance by Kentucky's Anthony Davis (see above). #4 Houston (1968) 80, #5 Kansas (1957) 58 - Wilt Chamberlain, who beats out Michael Jordan for the highest vertical in history at 48 inches, was the first with 8 blocked shots in a Value Add Basketball Game. However Elvin Hayes (30 points, 11 rebounds) and the Houston team that was the only team to beat Lee Alcendor and UCLA (in the "game of the centruy)" was way too much with a 40-33 edge on the boards and 8-3 in steals behind one of the great steals players in NCAA history, Don Chaney. #9 Memphis (2008) 68, #1 Kansas (2008) 61. Just like in the actual national championship in 2008, Memphis dominated for a big lead with 2 minutes to go (68-58 in our dice game, while the led 60-51 with 2 minutes to go in the actual title game). But in our game there was no furious comeback like the one put in to force overtime and win one of the great comebacks in history for the 2008 title. It was one of the most balanced games, with no Memphis player scoring more than 11, but Derrick Rose was one of seven Memphis players with blocked shots. Kansas was the most dominant team in the game - winning all 6 games (regular season and tourney) by an average of 20 points.

Round 3 in the South is complete.




Keep in mind each school was only allowed one team per century, so the Pac-12 and UCLA would likely have several other teams in the top 25 and UNC and Kentucky might as well if that was not our rule.

Previous Update from Conclusion of 2nd Round


At the end of the 2nd round of the all-time great tournament, we ranked the top 25 based on how good the team looks based on their player cards but also how impressive they looked in their opening game(s). Click here for free player cards for all 96 great teams and the updated "quick start" instructions so you can play your own games. An explanation and the brackets with all 2nd round scores appear below this top 25.

Top 25 After 2 Rounds: Bold is 3rd round win after these rankings, italics 3rd round loss. If the line is not bold or italics, then the score shown is the Round 2 win. ^ indicates team will move up, or ^^ way up as result of Round 3 result.


RankSchoolYearConfRegionSeed2nd Round (bold = 3rd round)
1Kansas2008Big 12South1beat Tennessee 1977
2Indiana1976Big TenMidwest1beat Purdue (2018) 69-57
3Michigan St.1979Big TenMidwest2beat Notre Dame 1970
4UNC1982ACCSouth2beat LSU 2006
5Kentucky2012SECSouth7beat Georgia
6North Carolina St.1974ACCEast2beat Seton Hall 1989
7Memphis2008CUSASouth9beat Louisville 1980
8Louisville2013Big EastWest3beat San Diego St
9^^UCLA1972Pac-8West1beat Arizona (1997) 78-63
10Florida2006SECSouth3beat Auburn 1984
11Kansas1957Big 7South5beat Oklahoma St 2004
12Houston1968IndSouth4beat Texas Tech 2019
13Wisconsin2015Big TenMidwest7beat . Illinois 2005
14Villanova2018Big EastEast4beat . WVU 2010
15Connecticut2004Big EastMidwest5beat K-State 2008
16Virginia2019ACCEast3beat . Georgia Tech 2004
17UNLV1991Big WestWest2Beat UCLA 2006
18Cincinnati1960MVCWest4Beat Gonzaga 2017
19Ohio St.2007Big TenMidwest11beat . Michigan 1989
20Arizona2015Pac-12West10Beat San Fran 1956
21Syracuse1987Big EastEast12beat Virginia 1981
22UTEP (TX W)1966IndWest6beat Marquette 1977
23Duke2011ACCEast9beat Uconn 1999
24UNC2005ACCEast7beat Duke 1992
25Georgetown1984Big EastEast11beat Maryland 2002
OtherArizona1997Pac-10West9lost to UCLA (1972) 63-78
OtherAuburn2019SECSouth11beat Arkansas 1994
OtherMichigan St.2009Big TenMidwest14beat Ohio St 1960
OtherMissouri1982Big 8West12Beat Loyola 1963
OtherOklahoma1985Big 8Midwest13beat Purdue 1969
OtherPurdue2018Big TenMidwest8lost to Indiana (1976) 57-69
OtherWake Forest1996ACCEast16beat Kentucky 1996
NITArkansas1994SEC South6lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITCincinnati2002CUSAMidwest9lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITDuke1992ACCEast10lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITKentucky1996SEC East1lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITLouisville1980MetroSouth8lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITLoyola1963IndWest5lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMarquette1977IndWest11lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMarquette2003CUSAEast13lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMaryland2002ACCEast6lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITMichigan1989Big TenMidwest6lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITOhio State1960Big TenMidwest3lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITOklahoma St1946MVCSouth10lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITPurdue1969Big TenMidwest4lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITSan Francisco1956CBAWest7lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITSyracuse2003Big EastWest8lost, 2nd chance NIT
NITVirginia1981ACCEast5lost, 2nd chance NIT

The 7 teams that are still alive in the tournament but I do not rank in the Top 25 are listed as "other" and I took 16 great teams who were upset or played a great game against a great team before losing - and those teams were not considered for the top 25 but I have put them in a "consolation" NIT - most notably the Kentucky team that was stunned by Tim Duncan and Wake Forest.

UCLA 1972 looked like the best team entering the all-time great basketball tournament, but Oregon 2017 gave them a run so we dropped them down to 7th behind a few teams that really looked impressive. On the flip side, the team it looked like we most underestimated may have been Memphis 2008. They had the most lopsided win of the tournament with an 82-52 win that was a slight upset against the 8th seed in the South. We rank them 3rd for the moment - the problem is one of the two teams that looked even better is Kansas from the same year - which won the actual game between the two in overtime to claim the 2008 title - so this 1 vs. 9 is scary.

We left Indiana 1976 at No. 2, leapfrogging Kansas over them but dropping UCLA behind them. However, they face a unique challenge as well next round. Even though we only moved Purdue 2018 up to No. 15 after their narrow win against Cincinnati 2002, they hit so many 3-pointers that they could pull a shocker over Indiana if they are hot - or the dice are lucky. Here is our updated Top 25 with all teams still alive listed as other. We list the conference in which they played, where we first seeded them and in what tournament, and finally their second round result followed by updated brackets at the bottom.


Quick Start Rules and Sample Dice Rolls to Play VABG

The first section of these game instructions let's you start playing a game immediately by seeing each dice scenario play out.  The full advanced rules with all the player cards etc. is still here.
Once you have read the instructions, everything you need to play the game is on the score sheet and player cards. Click here and here to see our results of an all-time March Madness, or on this Facebook video walking through the setup and start of a game if you are a visual learner.  We line up these Kansas and Kentucky line-ups for the sample game we will reference below.







Rebounding Chart referenced above is on the score sheets below. To determine which player has first chance at the rebound roll the 20-sided die and 1-3 = Offensive Center (bottom card), 4-5 = Offensive Power Forward, 6-7 = Offensive  Small Forward, 8 = Offensive Shooting Guard and 9 = Offensive Point Guard. On any of these 20-sided die rolls of 1-9 also roll one 6-sided die and if it falls in the "Off Rebound Range then the player gets it, and if not the defender opposite him gets it.

On a roll of 10 or 20 the 6-sided die does not matter - the highest rebound range on the entire court (offensive range for the team that shot and defensive range for the other team) gets the rebound and a tie goes to the offensive player).

If the 20-sided die is 11-13 = Defensive Center (bottom card), 14-15 = Defensive Power Forward, 16-17 = Defensive Small Forward, 18 = Defensive Shooting Guard and 19 = Defensive Point Guard.
A roll of 20 is the same as a roll of 10, highest on the court.

You can use the basic quick start above to play games with any playing cards from the teams below. Continue to read if you would like to use more advanced rules.

The first section of these game instructions let's you start playing a game immediately by seeing each dice scenario play out.  The full advanced rules with all the player cards etc. is still here.

Monday, January 13, 2020

Comparing our Seeding and Results to Date to Another Ranking of the 25 Greatest College Hoops Teams of All-Time

This post is a nice and well thought out ranking of the 25 greatest college basketball teams. I always like to see the opinions of others who have studied the history of college basketball and compare them to how I ranked and seeded by teams for the Value Add Basketball tournament of all-time greats.

I chose the same top two – UCLA 1972 and then Indiana 1976 – as this piece did. I make notes by each of his top 25 picks for if I had them higher, lower, or about the same. I also note how they have done in the all-time tournament so far – though obviously losing one dice game does not mean a team was not that good any more than let’s say UNLV losing to Duke in the Final 4 means you should throw out their dominance in the rest of the 34 straight wins before that game.


1.       UCLA (30-0), 1971-72, Notes:  Agree, my No. 1 overall seed. Close call 67-59 in second round against Oregon 2017 though.
2.       Indiana Hoosiers (32-0), 1975-76, Notes:  Agree again, my No 2 overall 1-seed. Looked even better in 2nd round with 72-49 win over Indiana 2002.
3.       San Francisco (29-0), 1955-56, Notes:  I had them lower as a 7-seed, but did not expect them to be upset by Arizona 2015 in the 2nd round.
4.       Texas Western (UTEP) (28-1), 1965-66, Notes:  For their historic win I have no qualms with the rating, though based purely on ability I had them a 6-seed, and they did hold that up with a thrilling one point win over my Marquette 1977.
5.       UCLA (30-0), 1972-73, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
6.       UCLA (29-1), 1967-68, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
7.       North Carolina State (30-1), 1973-74, Notes:  Agree, had them as a 2-seed though they dodged a bullet with one point win against Seton Hall 1989 in 2nd round.
8.       UCLA (30-0), 1966-67, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
9.       North Carolina (32-2), 1981-82, Notes:  Had them slightly higher as a 2-seed, but they barely escaped on Michael Jordan's drive and foul shots to beat LSU 2009 in 2nd round.
10.   North Carolina (32-0), 1956-57, Notes:  Agree, with only one school team per century I put Jordan and gang higher and chose them just over the great undefeated 1957 team.
11.   Duke (34-2), 1991-92, Notes:  The star power justifies this rating, but I had them lower as a 10-seed, though they next face the 2005 national champions from hated UNC 2005 for a chance to play the great NC State 1974.
12.   Kentucky (34-2), 1995-96, Notes:  Agree, picked them as the best Kentucky team of the Century and had them even higher as the last 1-seed, but in the game they were shocked by 16-seed Wake Forest to be the only 1 or 2 seed to lose in the 2nd round.
13.   UCLA (30-0), 1963-64, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
14.   Cincinnati (29-2), 1961-62, Notes:  Agree completely, had them as a 4-seed, though they barely survived a 2nd round test out west against Gonzaga 2017.
15.   San Francisco (28-1), 1954-55, Notes:  Would have had them a bit lower since I picked the following year's team as the 7-seed (see above).
16.   Kentucky (38-2), 2011-12, Notes:  Had them a bit lower as a 7-seed, but they ran Dominique Wilkins Georgia team off the court in the third round so maybe they are better, and while this stories rankings are good, having this team be the only team from the 21st century of the 25 does show a bias for the old days.
17.   UCLA (29-1), 1968-69, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
18.   UCLA (29-1), 1970-71, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
19.   Ohio State (25-3), 1959-60, Notes:  Agree, have them as a 5-seed, though their 2nd round test against Magic and Michigan State has yet to be played.
20.   Georgetown (34-3), 1983-84, Notes:  Had them a bit lower as a 11-seed, but the fact that they handled a very good Maryland 2002 team as an upset may back up the articles ranking.
21.   Arkansas (31-3), 1993-94, Notes:  Agreed, had them as a 6-seed, though they were upset by 1 point by the Auburn 2019, and since the author only included one 21st century team in his top 25 it may be that Auburn was just underrated by me.
22.   UCLA (28-2), 1969-70, Notes:  Solid, but only took one school team per century, and UCLA 1972 better.
23.   Kentucky (30-2), 1977-78, Notes:  Agree, but as noted above gave each school only 1 team per century so they are not in my tournament.
24.   UNLV (34-1), 1990-91, Notes:  Even though they didn't win the title due to the stunning upset against Duke, Duke can do that to you and I still have them higher as a 2-seed for going 34-0 in dominant fashion until then. They beat UCLA 2006 to advance to the 2nd round.
25.   Loyola-Chicago (29-2), 1962-63, Notes:  Had them even slightly higher as a 5-seed, though they haven't played the 2nd round game against Missouri 1982, which was as high as No. 1 for part of that season.