Showing posts with label Hank Gathers. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Hank Gathers. Show all posts

Friday, January 20, 2023

Illini Rally, Hold Loyola Marymount Below 100 for 105-98 win.

Admittedly the excitement of having my alma mater move into 1st place for best offense in the country this year, I was excited to find one of the most exciting possible offensive matchups for my next Value Add Basketball Game contest. 

As noted in the previous blog, we matched up the 1990 Loyola Marymount team that set the record with more than 122 points per game and went Elite 8 despite one of their two superstars tragically dying of a heart attack during a late season game. On the other side we had the 1989 Illini whose whole team including the back-up seemed to nail alley-oop dunks every couple of trips. 

In our score tracker, Loyola had destroyed 1970 Kentucky 138-116 and then fallen just short against another blue blood program, 101-104 against UNC 1998. Nick Anderson's Illini was stunned 82-86 by the 2021 Colorado team, but rebounded with a big 74-68 win over 1981 Notre Dame. The two game in needing to 74 possessions instead of 44 due to their frantic paces - and they were ranked 41st and 42nd as the two highest ranked teams with fewer than three games played.

Below the list of top scoring teams this year, we run through the phases of the game with the scoresheet with tips for if you play a game between high paced teams that requires playing more than 44 possession.


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Rotation ideas for high possession games

Because Loyola's cards say to add 26 possessions and the Illini add four, we have 30 extra possessions to simulate the pace of play of these two teams. Keep in mind each game starts with the assumption 22 possessions were already played to get to a 20-20 tie, so this is like a 98 possession game.

When I have extra possessions, I let the top line starters play half of the extra possessions, then the bottom line reserves play the next half, then when I get to 44 left I use the rotation based on stamina. Note the extra possessions before the 44th possession, and the overtime possessions do NOT count against the Stamina on each player's card.

Possession 74 to 60 with starters on court

With the starters for both teams on for the first 15 possession, the Illini turned the ball over the first six possessions, five by Loyola steals, and Loyola streaked to a 30-20 win on a 10-0 run off the steals.

The Illini starters stopped the bleeding, but still trained 38-30 when they turned it over to the reserves.

Possession 59-45 with reserves, including half ending at 48th possession

The Loyola reserves could not keep up the pace, giving up a 10-14 run by the half to see the score tighten to 44-48 at halftime. I wrote the half time stats at the bottom of the sheet. By then the Illini had also turnover Loyola and trailed the turnover battle only 17-14 as both teams found the best way to stop the opposing high powered offense as to steal the ball from them before they could shoot.

Normal 44-1 Possessions on New Score Sheet

Once the extra sheet was finished, we go to the normal rotation at the bottom of the sheet. During the final 44 possessions, both teams only use six players - the five starters on the top row and then Loyola's Tony Walker rests the shooting guard Terrell Lowery from the 44th to 29th possession, and Illinois Steve Bardo rests several starters throughout the half - and had to come back in for the final few possessions when Kenny Battle fouled out.

Nick Anderson started this sheet with two straight buckets while drawing fouls, and then another basket to go on a personal 7-2 run and cut the lead to 52-51 with 42 possessions to play. The game went back and forth until Kenny Battle stole a pass and took it all the way for a fast break dunk with 17 possessions left to make it 80-78 Illinois. 

But down the stretch it was Kendall Gill, the shortest player on the team at 6'5" while Marcu Liberty was the tallest at 6'8", who took over the game.

Gill had a rare blocked shot with 10 possessions left that would have been a tiebreaking basket, and was fouled at the other end and hit a free throw to make it 86-83. 

Then the backbreaker for Loyola. The late great Hank Gathers grabbed an offensive rebound with nine possessions left, but Giles stole if from him and raced down to hit a 3-pointer and make it 89-83 Illinois. Loyola scored, but Anderson then had his third "and-one" old school 3-point play to make it 85-92 and the Illini held it about there throughout for a 105-98 team and became the first team to hold Loyola below 100 points.

The two Loyola superstars and best friends from childhood certainly shown bright:

Bo Kimble - 25 points, 9 rebounds and most amazing 7 steals
Hank Gathers 22 points, 10 rebounds

It was the 1, 2 and 3 spots (PG, SG, SF) for the Illini who dominated:

Kendall Gill 26 points, 3 steals
Nick Anderson 21 points, 5 rebounds, 5 steals
Kenny Battle 19 points, 7 rebounds, 2 steals






Sunday, November 20, 2022

College Hoops 18 Greatest Teams In History of Other Conferences

The 18 great all-time teams that play in a conference that has fewer than six all-time great teams were put together in our "other teams" grouping. Our ratings are based on how the top 6 teams in each great conference have played against some of the greatest college basketball teams in history in the Value Add College Basketball Game (see details at the bottom) - and if we treated this group of other teams they would rank between the 7th best conference (the American Athletic) and the 8th best conference (the A10).

We have only played one game with the most exciting member of this group - Larry Bird who went up against Magic Johnson in perhaps the most important college basketball game in history.

The top 6 teams in this group so far have gone 6-8 against the other great all-time teams, and have a combined rating of 3.1. That means those teams average being 3.1 better than the average team IN THE GAME, but the average team in the game is about 21 points better than an average team.

Therefore the Gonzaga team's ranking of +8.7 means they are rated about 29.7 points better than the average team. That team narrowly missed the perfect season by losing the last game of the regular season to BYU, and then the title game to UNC.

The lists also features one Ivy League team - the Princeton squad that featured US Senator and Presidential candidate Bill Bradley.

While the West Coast Conference features three of the top five other teams, we only broke out conferences with at least six all-time great teams in the game. The other two great teams are the highest scoring team in the NCAA history, which is averaging winning 120-110 in their 1-1 start this year, and had the tragedy of Hank Gathers dying of a heart condition at the end of the season after having become the first player in history to lead the nation in rebounding and points. The third WCC team on the list is the great Bill Russell's 1956 team.



RnkGreat TeamYearKey PlayerWLPtsAllowRate
 Top 6 Other Conf  6878.877.63.1
1Gonzaga (WCC)2017Nigel Williams-Goss3369.863.08.7
2UNLV (MWC)1991Larry Johnson1176.575.57.3
3Loyola Marymount (WCC)1990Bo Kimble11119.5110.02.3
4Loyola-Chicago (WVC)1963Jerry Harkness0162.068.00.6
5San Francisco (WCC)1956Bill Russell0167.074.00.0
6Jacksonville (Asun)1970Artis Gilmore1178.075.0-0.3
7UTEP (TX Western, CUSA)1966Bobby Joe Hill2163.766.0-1.4
8San Diego St. (MWC)2011Kawhi Leonard2269.371.8-2.9
9UNLV (MWC)1987Armen Gilliam0164.082.0-3.4
10Holy Cross (Pat)1950Bob Cousy1188.089.5-5.2
11Seattle (WAC)1958Elgin Baylor0162.064.0-6.2
12Indiana St. (MVC)1979Larry Bird0169.076.0-7.8
13Wyoming (MWC)1943Ken Sailors0160.073.0-8.2
14North Carolina (MAAC)1957Lennie Rosenbluth0176.089.0-8.6
15Navy (Pat)1986David Robinson0161.077.0-9.0
16Princeton (Ivy)1965Bill Bradley0162.079.0-13.0
17Loyola-Chicago (MVC)2018Cameron Krutwig0359.375.0-13.9
18Niagara (MAAC)1970Calvin Murphy0168.084.0-16.6



We invented the Value Add Basketball Game, and since then have grown it to to 135 teams of all-time great teams and players. We have played 188 games to date, and 63,000 unique visitors have clicked on the game. 

Seven current conferences have at least six all-time great teams in the game. We decided to rank those conferences based on the average rating of their top six teams so far in our games against other teams.

Click on the game to play yourself - it contains everything you need to play the Value Add Basketball game, which lets you pit any of 136 great all-time college teams against each other. To pick your two teams it is best to click on this Google doc and print the pages of the teams you want (each team is one page). I track my games on this google sheet, but play your own for free!

Sunday, January 23, 2022

Gathers Heart Attack after Alley-Oop Dunk; Could Highest Scoring Team Ever Have Won it All?

The North Carolina 1998 now has a +4.8 simulated KenPom rating to place 28th of the 136 great teams in the Value Add Basketball Game after clinging onto a 104-101 win against the highest scoring team in history - Loyola Marymount.

That was an outstanding defensive performance, believe it or not, as Loyola averaged the all-time record 122.4 points per game for the 1989-90 season behind All-Americans Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers. Loyola fans will never know if this team could have gone all the way because after completing an alley-oop dunk near the end of the season Gathers (who was only the 2nd player to lead the nation in both scoring and rebounding the year before) collapsed and died of a heart attack. The team still made the Elite 8 even without him before finally losing to No.2 UNLV.

In our game at full strength they had already defeated Dan Issel's Kentucky (1970) by a score of 138-116 to make this second round, but fell just short. Their rating of +2.0 means they are rated as 2 points better than the average great team in this game (which means about 22 points better than an average team), which ranks them 45th of our 136 great teams in the game.

Here are the updated ratings for all teams, along with how tough their average opponents was, and their average score. The following are the 13 teams still left in the current tournament we are playing and their overall rank from Duke 2001 as the 5th ranked team to Kentucky 1948 as the 78th ranked team. Below that are all 136 teams with those 13 teams bolded.

1.       Duke 2001 – 5th

2.       UCLA 1967 – 15th

3.       Baylor 2021 – 17th

4.       Kansas 1997 – 20th

5.       North Carolina – 28th

6.       Indiana 1981 – 29th

7.       Houston 1983 – 35th

8.       Michigan State 2000 – 41st

9.       Jacksonville 1970 – 47th

10.   DePaul 1980 – 59th

11.   Maryland 1984 – 70th

12.   Holy Cross 1950 – 77th

13.   Kentucky 1948 – 78th

 
RnkTeam-Year-Player you might knowWonLostKenPomSoSScoreAllow
1Kansas - 2008 - Mario Chalmers5121.3-7.07556
2UCLA - 1972 - Bill Walton6014.5-3.07262
3North Carolina - 2005 - Sean May4213.85.57363
4Virginia - 2019 - Kyle Guy4112.62.07365
5Duke - 2001 - Shane Battier10127.58069
6Indiana - 1976 - Scott May3111.86.07160
7North Carolina - 1982 - Michael Jordan5111.22.06965
8Houston - 1968 - Elvin Hayes3111.2-3.77364
9Gonzaga - 2017 - Nigel Williams-Goss3210.4-6.06959
10Connecticut - 2004 - Ben Gordon4210.3-6.07464
11Duke - 2010 - Jon Scheyer529.6-4.07467
12Villanova - 2018 - Mikal Bridges629.31.37670
13Purdue - 2018 - Carsen Edwards519.21.07269
14Louisville - 2013 - Russ Smith218.2-6.07466
15UCLA - 1967 - Lew Alcindor108.2-7.08583
16Kentucky - 1996 - Antoine Walker017.62.56467
17Baylor - 2021 - Jared Butler107.41.09168
18Auburn - 2019 - Chuma Okeke8175.07165
19Cincinnati - 1960 - Oscar Robertson1163.57074
20Kansas - 1997 - Paul Pierce105.6-0.58468
21Michigan St. - 2009 - Draymond Green625.5-5.07270
22Duke - 1992 - Christian Laettner115.4-1.37265
23Oregon - 2017 - Dillon Brooks325.2-2.06968
24NC State - 1989 - David Thompson105.22.78180
25Michigan St. - 1979 - Magic Johnson2151.07063
26NC State - 1974 - David Thompson115-4.06869
27UNLV - 1991 - Larry Johnson115-1.07776
28North Carolina - 1998 - Vince Carter204.88.08884
29Indiana - 1981 - Isaiah Thomas104.80.58264
30Illinois - 2005 - Deron Williams324.6-11.07270
31Wake Forest - 1996 - Tim Duncan214.6-2.06665
32Michigan - 1989 - Glen Rice014.63.06970
33Memphis - 2008 - Derrick Rose424.51.06966
34Oklahoma - 1985 - Wayman Tisdale314.20.07574
35Houston - 1983 - Hakeem Olajuwon1043.07964
36Iowa - 2021 - Luka Garza104-2.08869
37Syracuse - 2003 - Carmelo Anthony213.6-9.07674
38Kentucky - 2012 - Anthony Davis423.52.27266
39Michigan - 1965 - Cazzie Russell113.4-2.08172
40Wisconsin - 2015 - Frank Kaminsky2235.36563
41Michigan St. - 2000 - Mateen Cleaves102.65.0108104
42Connecticut - 1999 - Richard Hamilton012.4-1.06064
43Ohio St. - 1960 - Jerry Lucas012.23.07879
44Missouri - 1982 - Steve Stipanovich202.2-1.07066
45Loyola Marymount - 1990 - Bo Kimble1120.0120110
46Arizona - 2015 - Stanley Johnson311.82.77571
47Jacksonville - 1970 - Artis Gilmore101.61.08976
48USC - 2021 - Evan Mobley101.6-1.07767
49Georgetown - 1984 - Patrick Ewing211.42.06765
50Michigan - 2013 - Trey Burke231.21.57170
51Arkansas - 1994 - Corliss Williamson011.20.37879
52Colorado - 2021 - McKinley Wright101-1.08682
53Syracuse - 1987 - Rony Seikaly210.82.07269
54UTEP (Texas Western) - 1966 - Bobby Joe Hill210.83.06466
55Texas Tech - 2019 - Jarrett Culver320.6-2.56667
56Cincinnati - 2002 - Jason Maxiell220.62.77372
57Seton Hall - 1989 - John Morton110.6-3.07878
58Loyola-Chicago - 1963 - Jerry Harkness010.6-1.06268
59DePaul - 1980 - Mark Aguirre100.4-8.08264
61Illinois - 1989 - Nick Anderson0102.08286
60Dayton - 2020 - Obi Toppin1001.58782
62Arizona - 1997 - Mike Bibby21-0.60.56971
63Purdue - 1969 - Rick Mount01-0.82.08687
64Duke - 1986 - Johnny Dawkins01-13.8106108
65Marquette - 2003 - Dwyane Wade22-1.40.07374
66Marquette - 1971 - Jim Chones11-1.43.06869
67Georgetown - 2007 - Roy Hibbert12-1.67.07775
68Pittsburgh - 2009 - DeJuan Blair13-1.80.76062
69Kansas - 1957 - Wilt Chamberlain11-1.81.06874
70Maryland - 1984 - Len Bias10-2-5.07464
71Marquette - 1977 - Butch Lee11-2.63.36662
72San Diego St. - 2011 - Kawhi Leonard22-2.81.06972
73LSU - 1992 - Shaquille O'Neal01-2.81.08588
74St. John's - 1985 - Chris Mullin01-2.81.87576
75Creighton - 2020 - Ty-Shon Alexander11-311.07777
76Kansas St. - 2008 - Michael Beasley11-3-1.07576
77Holy Cross - 1950 - Bob Cousy10-34.0108106
79San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell01-3.20.06774
78Kentucky - 1948 - Alex Groza10-3.27.78885
80UNLV - 1987 - Armen Gilliam01-3.45.06482
81South Carolina - 2017 - Sindarius Thornwell12-3.60.36566
82Ohio St. - 2007 - Greg Oden24-4-1.06972
83Florida - 2006 - Joakim Noah33-4.2-2.07271
84Oklahoma St. - 2004 - John Lucas13-52.86971
85Iowa - 2002 - Reggie Evans12-5-5.07175
86St. Bonaventure - 1970 - Bob Lanier01-52.06474
87Georgia Tech - 2004 - Jarrett Jack24-5.2-7.06169
88Davidson - 2008 - Stephen Curry13-5.2-16.06467
89DePaul - 1945 - George Mikan01-5.21.05155
90Virginia - 1981 - Ralph Sampson01-5.4-0.36172
91Indiana - 2002 - Jared Jeffries13-5.6-2.06773
92Tennessee - 1977 - Bernard King11-5.67.07683
93California - 1959 - Jack Grout01-5.81.86971
94St. Joe's - 2004 - Jameer Nelson12-6-2.06876
95Seattle - 1958 - Elgin Baylor01-6.21.46264
96Utah - 1998 - Andre Miller01-6.20.06979
97Oklahoma - 2016 - Buddy Hield13-6.41.06067
98Texas - 2003 - T.J. Ford12-6.62.06976
99Wichita St. - 2013 - Fred VanVleet12-6.62.76471
100Alabama - 1977 - Reggie King01-6.60.37071
101West Virginia - 2010 - Kevin Jones13-6.8-15.07076
102Georgia Tech - 1990 - Dennis Scott01-6.82.86482
103UCLA - 2006 - Jordan Farmar23-70.06672
104Marquette - 2011 - Jimmy Butler01-7-4.08287
105Kansas - 1988 - Danny Manning01-7.62.05867
106LSU - 2006 - Glen Davis12-7.8-0.76675
107Indiana St. - 1979 - Larry Bird01-7.8-5.06976
108Maryland - 2002 - Juan Dixon13-8.20.86776
109Notre Dame - 1970 - Austin Carr11-8.2-2.06777
110La Salle - 1954 - Tom Gola01-8.24.06776
111Oklahoma St. - 1946 - Bob Kurland01-8.2-3.08082
112South Carolina - 1973 - Mike Dunleavy01-8.2-2.06672
113Wyoming - 1943 - Ken Sailors01-8.27.06073
114Auburn - 1984 - Charles Barkley11-8.42.37277
115West Virginia - 1959 - Jerry West01-8.42.06869
116Brigham Young - 1981 - Danny Ainge01-8.60.26777
117Kentucky - 1970 - Dan Issel01-8.6-1.0116138
118North Carolina - 1957 - Lennie Rosenbluth01-8.6-5.07689
119Navy - 1986 - David Robinson01-91.76177
120Villanova - 1985 - Ed Pinckney01-9.25.06572
121Georgia - 1982 - Dominique Wilkins11-9.61.07078
122Arkansas - 1978 - Sidney Monfrief01-9.6-3.05879
123Arizona St. - 1980 - Byron Scott01-103.46479
124Louisville - 1980 - Darrell Griffith01-10.4-5.05282
125Notre Dame - 1981 - Orlando Woolridge01-10.42.36891
126George Mason - 2006 - Jai Lewis03-10.62.25967
127Dayton - 1967 - Don May01-112.86988
128Creighton - 2014 - Doug McDermott03-12.8-1.66680
129Wake Forest - 2005 - Chris Paul03-135.36485
130LSU - 1970 - Pete Maravich01-134.56667
131Princeton - 1965 - Bill Bradley01-132.76279
132VCU - 2011 - Bradford Burgess03-13.84.06071
133Loyola-Chicago - 2018 - Cameron Krutwig03-14.6-5.05975
134Miami FL - 1965 - Rick Berry01-14.65.0104108
135Butler - 2010 - Gordon Hayward03-15.81.15576
136Niagara - 1970 - Calvin Murphy01-16.6-0.56884

Saturday, January 22, 2022

1998 UNC Survives Highest Scoring Team in History, Loyola's Kimble 38 pts

After scoring 138 points in an upset opening round, Loyola-Marymount's Bo Kimble scored 38 and both Vince Carter and Makhtar N'Diaye fouled out trying to guard him.

The 20-seed 1990 Loyola squad was the highest scoring in the history of college ball, and their cards adjust to allow 26 extra possessions in a Value Add basketball game. By the time those extra 26 possessions we're played on one score sheet (13 by the bottom row reserves and 13 by the top row starters), Loyola led 53-44 when the game would normally start 20-20 with 44 possessions to play.

(the 104-101 UNC win gives UNC and updated rating of 4.8 to drop from 25th to 36th in the all-time ratings, and Loyola-Marymount and updated rating of 2.0 which will be good for 50th in those same ratings.)


Three steals by Ed Cota helped UNC tie the score 60-60 with 34 possessions to play, and respite Carter fouling out, the other two players who would go into have king NBA careers did just enough to send UNC to the Elite 8. Antawn Jamieson (34 points, 11 rebounds) dominated inside, and Shammond Williams (26 points) ran the point.

N'Diaye's foul out may have actually helped the Tar Heels, as it put 7-footer Brendan Haywood into the game for the final few minutes, during which he blocked 3 shots to finish with 5 blocks and send the Tar-Heels to the Elite 8. The other two already in the Elite 8 are 1-seed UCLA 1968, and 2001 Duke.

Many wonder who could have stopped Loyola in 1990 if Hank Gathers had not tragically died of a heart attack near the end if the season.