All-time Rankings but 2024-25 Conference

Scroll down for your conference in bold to see the rankings of all the all-time great Value Add Basketball Game teams who will be in the conference next year. If a team will be in a conference with fewer than six all-time great teams in our game, then we put them at the bottom to rank "other" great all-time teams.

Here are the all-time rankings by conference of the 200 teams in our game. The following are what each code mean:

Conf - The ranking of all teams based on the conference each school will play in the 2024-25 season.

Over - The overall ranking of each team.

Name of the conference then "All-Time Value Add Basketball Game.

Rating - The number of points better or worse that the average GREAT team (basis is an Elite 8 team who was one of the top ranked team in the country as well.

Won - Number of games won in our Value Add Basketball Games.

Lost - Number of games lost in our Value Add Basketball Games.

(An 0-0 team means one of the 16 teams we plan but have not yet been created in the game)

Pts - The average points the team has scored in Value Add games so far.

Allow - The average points the team has allowed in Value Add Games.

PreS - How good we believe the team is based on their cards, regardless of the games we've played.

SOS - The average rating of the opponent in games played in our Value Add Basketball Games so far.

 

Conf	Over	A10 All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	37	Massachusetts - 1996 - Marcus Camby	3.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	3	0.0
2	72	Loyola-Chicago - 1963 - Jerry Harkness	0.0	0	1	62.0	68.0	4	-2.0
3	115	Dayton - 2020 - Obi Toppin	-3.8	1	1	81.5	80.5	-3	-4.0
4	123	St. Bonaventure - 1970 - Bob Lanier	-4.3	0	1	64.0	74.0	1	-6.0
5	126	La Salle - 1954 - Tom Gola	-4.8	0	1	67.0	76.0	-2	-3.0
6	132	St. Joe's - 2004 - Jameer Nelson	-5.0	1	2	68.3	75.7	0	-1.7
7	148	Davidson - 2008 - Stephen Curry	-6.4	1	5	66.7	70.8	-7	0.7
8	156	VCU - 1985 - Calvin Duncan	-7.3	0	1	76.0	85.0	-5	-1.0
9	160	Dayton - 1967 - Don May	-7.8	0	1	69.0	88.0	-3	1.0
10	163	Richmond - 2011 - Justin Harper	-8.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-8	0.0
11	182	George Mason - 2006 - Jai Lewis	-9.7	0	3	59.3	67.0	-8	0.3
12	194	VCU - 2011 - Bradford Burgess	-13.0	0	3	60.3	71.3	-12	1.0
13	197	Loyola-Chicago - 2018 - Cameron Krutwig	-14.0	0	3	59.3	75.0	-10	1.7
Conf	Over	ACC All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	3	Duke - 2001 - Shane Battier	12.3	3	1	78.3	72.5	12	4.8
2	7	North Carolina - 1982 - Michael Jordan	10.0	5	1	68.8	65.0	9	4.0
3	10	North Carolina - 2005 - Sean May	9.1	3	2	72.2	64.4	8	2.0
4	15	Virginia - 2019 - Kyle Guy	7.4	4	1	72.6	65.4	4	2.4
5	17	Louisville - 2013 - Russ Smith	7.3	2	1	74.0	66.3	4	1.7
6	20	North Carolina St. - 1974 - David Thompson	6.5	2	1	72.0	72.7	8	4.3
7	21	Duke - 1992 - Christian Laettner	6.5	1	2	73.7	70.3	10	1.0
8	22	Duke - 2010 - Jon Scheyer	6.4	5	2	74.0	66.7	4	0.1
9	36	Wake Forest - 1996 - Tim Duncan	3.3	2	1	66.0	64.7	-2	6.0
10	41	Syracuse - 2003 - Carmelo Anthony	2.7	2	1	76.0	74.0	-1	3.0
11	52	Duke - 2015 - Justise Winslow	1.6	2	0	75.0	72.5	3	-7.0
12	59	Syracuse - 1987 - Rony Seikaly	1.0	2	1	72.3	68.7	-1	-2.0
13	60	SMU - 2017 - Semi Ojeleye	1.0	1	0	77.0	64.0	-2	-7.0
14	61	North Carolina - 2022 - Armando Bacot	0.8	2	0	80.5	68.0	-7	-2.5
15	64	North Carolina - 1998 - Vince Carter	0.7	2	1	80.7	83.7	7	-3.0
16	68	Duke - 2022 - Wendell Moore	0.5	2	1	80.3	76.0	-3	-1.7
17	83	Pittsburgh - 2009 - DeJuan Blair	-0.7	1	3	60.0	62.3	1	2.3
18	89	Georgia Tech - 2004 - Jarrett Jack	-1.1	2	3	62.6	67.4	0	3.8
19	93	Duke - 1986 - Johnny Dawkins	-1.5	0	1	106.0	108.0	2	-6.0
20	97	California - 1959 - Jack Grout	-2.0	0	1	69.0	71.0	0	-2.0
21	114	Stanford - 2008 - Brook Lopez	-3.5	2	1	79.7	79.0	-5	-4.0
22	116	Virginia - 1981 - Ralph Sampson	-3.8	0	1	61.0	72.0	1	-3.0
23	117	Miami - 2023 - Norchad Omier	-3.8	2	0	88.5	87.5	-7	-4.0
24	127	Florida St. - 1993 - Charlie Ward	-4.8	0	1	76.0	78.0	-2	-7.0
25	137	North Carolina - 1957 - Lennie Rosenbluth	-5.3	0	1	76.0	89.0	-1	-1.0
26	138	Notre Dame - 1981 - Orlando Woolridge	-5.3	0	1	68.0	74.0	-5	4.0
27	142	Notre Dame - 1970 - Austin Carr	-5.8	1	1	67.0	76.5	-4	1.0
28	143	Miami - 2013 - Shane Larkin	-6.0	0	1	67.0	75.0	-4	0.0
29	150	Virginia Tech - 1986 - Dell Curry	-6.7	0	1	81.0	87.0	-8	7.4
30	151	Georgia Tech - 1990 - Dennis Scott	-6.8	0	1	64.0	82.0	-2	1.0
31	161	Boston College - 2006 - Jared Dudley	-7.8	0	1	72.0	76.0	-7	-2.0
32	169	Clemson - 1987 - Horace Grant	-8.5	0	1	77.0	97.0	-3	-1.0
33	177	Louisville - 1980 - Darrell Griffith	-9.3	0	1	52.0	82.0	-2	3.0
34	185	Wake Forest - 2005 - Chris Paul	-10.0	0	3	64.3	85.3	0	4.3
35	191	Miami - 1965 - rick barry	-11.3	0	1	104.0	108.0	-7	-16.0
Conf	Over	American All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	43	Memphis - 2008 - Derrick Rose	2.4	4	2	68.7	65.8	3	-0.3
2	73	Temple - 1958 - Guy Rodgers	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	0	0.0
3	74	Tulsa - 2000 - Eric Coley	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	0	0.0
4	98	Charlotte - 1977 - Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell	-2.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-2	0.0
5	147	Wichita St. - 2013 - Fred VanVleet	-6.3	1	2	64.3	71.3	-6	1.7
6	186	Florida Atlantic - 2023 - Johnell Davis	-10.0	0	1	64.0	77.0	-7	-2.0
Conf	Over	B10 All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	1	UCLA - 1972 - Bill Walton	14.7	6	0	72.0	62.0	17	-0.5
2	4	Ohio St. - 1960 - Jerry Lucas	11.8	2	1	84.0	76.3	10	4.7
3	5	Indiana - 1976 - Scott May	11.1	3	1	71.3	59.8	10	-0.8
4	24	Michigan St. - 1979 - Magic Johnson	5.8	2	1	70.3	62.7	5	-2.3
5	27	Michigan - 1965 - Cazzie Russell	5.5	2	1	85.7	79.0	3	-1.0
6	28	Purdue - 2018 - Carsen Edwards	5.1	4	1	71.2	68.8	1	2.8
7	30	UCLA - 1967 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	4.2	2	1	83.0	87.0	13	-2.0
8	32	Illinois - 2005 - Deron Williams	4.0	3	2	72.0	69.6	4	1.2
9	34	Rutgers - 1976 - Phil Sellers	3.6	2	0	90.5	75.5	-2	-7.0
10	35	Michigan St. - 2000 - Mateen Cleaves	3.5	4	1	79.6	77.2	4	-1.6
11	38	Wisconsin - 2015 - Frank Kaminsky	2.9	2	2	65.0	63.3	3	1.0
12	39	Oregon - 2017 - Dillon Brooks	2.9	4	3	71.9	69.9	0	1.6
13	44	Indiana - 1981 - Isaiah Thomas	2.3	2	1	72.7	72.3	3	0.0
14	56	USC - 2021 - Evan Mobley	1.3	2	1	73.7	70.7	0	-4.3
15	57	Michigan St. - 2009 - Draymond Green	1.3	6	3	71.3	71.9	-2	1.6
16	62	Illinois - 1989 - Nick Anderson	0.8	2	1	87.0	84.0	4	-5.3
17	65	Michigan - 1989 - Glen Rice	0.6	0	2	70.5	78.5	7	3.0
18	71	Michigan - 2013 - Trey Burke	0.3	1	2	70.3	69.7	1	0.3
19	75	Iowa - 2021 - Luka Garza	0.0	1	1	79.5	70.5	-5	-3.5
20	80	Ohio St. - 2007 - Greg Oden	-0.5	2	3	70.2	71.4	1	0.6
21	90	Minnesota - 1977 - Kevin McHale	-1.2	1	1	69.5	68.5	2	-3.0
22	92	Maryland - 1984 - Len Bias	-1.4	1	1	69.5	68.5	-5	1.5
23	111	Purdue - 1969 - Rick Mount	-3.3	0	1	86.0	87.0	-2	-2.0
24	118	Indiana - 2002 - Jared Jeffries	-4.0	1	3	67.3	72.8	-1	1.3
25	124	Maryland - 2002 - Juan Dixon	-4.3	1	3	67.0	76.3	3	0.8
26	133	UCLA - 2006 - Jordan Farmar	-5.0	2	3	66.0	72.4	-3	0.4
27	139	Washington - 2006 - Brandon Roy	-5.3	0	1	98.0	99.0	-3	-7.0
28	144	Iowa - 2001 - Reggie Evans	-6.0	1	2	71.0	75.3	-8	1.7
29	164	UCLA - 2021 - Jaime Jaquez	-8.0	0	1	81.0	90.0	-5	-4.0
30	170	Penn St. - 2018 - Tony Carr	-8.5	0	1	82.0	90.0	-6	-4.0
31	178	Nebraska - 2014 - Terran Petteway	-9.3	0	1	72.0	75.0	-11	3.0
32	188	Northwestern - 2017 - Vic Law	-10.5	0	1	70.0	85.0	-6	-5.0
Conf	Over	B12 All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	2	Kansas - 1997 - Paul Pierce	13.0	5	0	76.8	62.4	7	-1.0
2	6	Houston - 1968 - Elvin Hayes	10.1	3	1	73.0	63.8	8	1.3
3	8	Kansas - 2008 - Mario Chalmers	9.8	5	1	74.7	56.0	2	-0.7
4	16	Baylor - 2021 - Jared Butler	7.4	2	2	86.0	78.5	2	4.8
5	25	Houston - 1983 - Hakeem Olajuwon	5.8	2	1	70.7	65.0	5	-0.3
6	26	Cincinnati - 1960 - Oscar Robertson	5.7	1	2	72.3	78.0	10	8.3
7	42	Kansas - 1957 - Wilt Chamberlain	2.7	3	1	68.8	68.0	5	-1.8
8	46	Houston - 2021 - Quentin Grimes	2.0	1	0	102.0	50.0	0	-16.0
9	49	Colorado - 2021 - McKinley Wright	1.8	3	0	82.3	78.0	-7	-0.3
10	53	Cincinnati - 2002 - Jason Maxiell	1.6	2	2	72.8	71.5	4	-1.5
11	58	Arizona - 2015 - Stanley Johnson	1.1	3	1	75.3	70.5	2	-6.0
12	69	Kansas - 2022 - Ochai Agbaji	0.5	1	0	87.0	81.0	0	-7.9
13	76	Arizona - 1997 - Mike Bibby	0.0	2	1	68.7	71.0	2	-1.0
14	77	Texas Tech - 2019 - Jarrett Culver	0.0	3	2	65.6	67.2	0	0.8
15	103	Kansas St. - 2023 - Markquis Nowell	-2.8	1	1	81.0	74.0	-5	-6.5
16	106	Kansas St. - 2008 - Michael Beasley	-3.0	1	1	75.0	75.5	-5	0.5
17	112	Oklahoma St. - 2004 - John Lucas	-3.3	1	3	68.8	71.0	0	-1.5
18	121	Iowa St. - 2014 - DeAndre Kane	-4.2	1	1	73.0	75.5	-2	-5.0
19	128	West Virginia - 1959 - Jerry West	-4.8	0	1	68.0	69.0	-2	-8.0
20	140	West Virginia - 2010 - Kevin Jones	-5.3	1	3	70.3	76.0	-2	0.0
21	149	Brigham Young - 1981 - Danny Ainge	-6.5	0	1	67.0	77.0	-4	0.0
22	157	TCU - 2023 - JaKobe Coles	-7.3	0	1	77.0	79.0	-6	-5.0
23	158	Utah - 1998 - Andre Miller	-7.5	0	1	69.0	79.0	-3	-4.0
24	165	Arizona St. - 1980 - Byron Scott	-8.0	0	1	64.0	79.0	-5	2.0
25	166	Kansas - 1988 - Danny Manning	-8.0	0	1	58.0	67.0	-5	-4.0
26	171	Oklahoma St. - 1946 - Bob Kurland	-8.5	0	1	80.0	82.0	-6	-10.0
27	174	Central Florida - 2019 - Joey Graham	-8.8	0	1	70.0	74.0	-8	-3.0
Conf	Over	BE All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	12	Villanova - 2018 - Mikal Bridges	7.9	7	2	79.4	70.3	5	0.1
2	13	Connecticut - 2023 - Adama Sanogo	7.8	2	0	78.5	58.0	10	-11.0
3	14	Connecticut - 2004 - Ben Gordon	7.5	5	2	74.7	66.0	2	0.7
4	23	DePaul - 1980 - Mark Aguirre	6.4	3	1	76.8	68.8	-3	3.5
5	33	Georgetown - 1984 - Patrick Ewing	3.7	2	1	67.3	65.3	4	0.0
6	66	Providence - 1987 - Billy Donovan	0.6	1	1	66.0	64.5	-1	1.5
7	67	Seton Hall - 1989 - John Morton	0.6	1	1	78.0	78.0	0	1.5
8	70	Marquette - 2023 - Tyler Kolek	0.5	2	1	85.7	83.0	-3	0.1
9	78	Xavier - 2023 - Jack Nunge	0.0	1	0	83.0	68.0	-5	-4.0
10	84	Marquette - 1977 - Butch Lee	-0.8	1	1	66.0	61.5	-1	-5.0
11	85	Marquette - 2003 - Dwyane Wade	-0.9	2	2	73.3	74.0	-1	0.0
12	91	Georgetown - 2007 - Roy Hibbert	-1.3	1	2	76.7	75.3	-1	-1.7
13	94	Creighton - 2023 - Ryan Kalkbrenner	-1.6	1	1	86.0	86.0	-3	0.5
14	102	Connecticut - 1999 - Richard Hamilton	-2.2	0	2	60.5	73.0	4	5.0
15	104	St. John's - 1985 - Chris Mullin	-2.8	0	1	75.0	76.0	-2	0.0
16	107	Marquette - 1971 - Jim Chones	-3.0	1	2	70.0	72.7	-5	3.0
17	129	DePaul - 1945 - George Mikan	-4.8	0	1	51.0	55.0	-6	7.0
18	153	Seton Hall - 2020 - Myles Powell	-6.9	0	1	78.0	80.0	-6	-3.4
19	154	Marquette - 2011 - Jimmy Butler	-7.0	0	1	82.0	87.0	-6	-1.0
20	159	Marquette - 1994 - Jim McIlvaine	-7.7	1	1	70.0	80.5	-3	-4.2
21	179	Villanova - 1985 - Ed Pinckney	-9.3	0	1	65.0	72.0	-8	-2.0
22	183	Marquette - 1955 - Terry Rand	-9.8	0	1	74.0	86.0	-7	-2.0
23	187	Creighton - 2020 - Ty-Shon Alexander	-10.3	0	1	72.0	106.0	-5	8.0
24	189	Creighton - 2014 - Doug McDermott	-10.5	0	3	66.3	80.0	-2	-1.3
25	196	Butler - 2010 - Gordon Hayward	-13.7	0	3	54.7	76.3	-6	4.3
Conf	Over	P12/MWC All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	40	UNLV - 1991 - Larry Johnson	2.8	1	2	72.7	76.3	10	0.7
2	47	Oregon St. - 1982 - AC Green	2.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	2	0.0
3	105	San Diego St. - 2011 - Kawhi Leonard	-2.9	2	2	69.3	71.8	-3	-0.3
4	109	New Mexico - 1974 - Bernard Hardin	-3.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-3	0.0
5	130	UNLV - 1987 - Armen Gilliam	-4.8	0	1	64.0	82.0	3	-6.0
6	145	Nevada - 2005 - Kirk Snyder	-6.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-6	0.0
7	173	Wyoming - 1943 - Ken Sailors	-8.5	0	1	60.0	73.0	-6	1.0
8	175	Washington St. - 2008 - Taylor Rochestie	-9.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-9	0.0
9	180	San Diego St. - 2023 - Jaedon LeDee	-9.5	0	1	78.0	84.0	-9	-1.0
Conf	Over	SEC All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	9	Kentucky - 1996 - Antoine Walker	9.7	2	1	72.0	69.3	12	3.3
2	11	Arkansas - 1994 - Corliss Williamson	8.2	1	2	75.3	70.3	5	8.0
3	19	Kentucky - 2012 - Anthony Davis	6.6	4	2	72.2	65.7	15	-4.7
4	31	Auburn - 2019 - Chuma Okeke	4.2	8	1	71.0	65.3	-2	-2.6
5	45	Oklahoma - 1985 - Wayman Tisdale	2.1	3	1	75.3	73.8	-2	1.8
6	48	Tennessee - 2023 - Santiago Vescovi	2.0	1	0	75.0	67.0	0	-4.0
7	55	Florida - 2006 - Joakim Noah	1.5	5	3	74.4	72.0	9	-4.6
8	79	Texas - 2023 - Marcus Carr	0.0	2	0	90.5	87.0	-1	-6.0
9	81	Kentucky - 1948 - Alex Groza	-0.6	1	1	71.0	81.5	4	3.0
10	82	Vanderbilt - 1993 - Bill McCaffrey	-0.6	1	1	72.5	72.5	-1	0.0
11	95	Missouri - 1982 - Steve Stipanovich	-1.7	2	1	73.7	73.3	-2	-1.7
12	101	LSU - 1992 - Shaquille O'Neal	-2.0	1	1	82.5	81.0	-1	-5.0
13	110	Alabama - 2023 - Brandon Miller	-3.0	0	1	78.0	79.0	2	-13.0
14	113	South Carolina - 2017 - Sindarius Thornwell	-3.3	1	2	65.3	65.7	-3	-2.0
15	119	South Carolina - 1973 - Mike Dunleavy	-4.0	0	1	66.0	72.0	-4	6.0
16	122	Tennessee - 1977 - Bernard King	-4.2	1	1	76.0	83.0	-3	1.0
17	125	Alabama - 1977 - Reggie King	-4.3	0	1	70.0	71.0	-3	-3.0
18	131	Oklahoma - 2016 - Buddy Hield	-4.9	1	3	60.3	67.3	-1	1.3
19	141	Mississippi - 2001 - Justin Reed	-5.5	0	1	56.0	67.0	-4	5.0
20	146	Texas - 2003 - T.J. Ford	-6.0	1	2	68.7	76.3	-2	-1.0
21	152	LSU - 2006 - Glen Davis	-6.8	1	2	66.3	75.0	-3	-0.7
22	155	Texas A&M - 2007 - Acie Law	-7.0	0	1	60.0	77.0	-2	-1.0
23	162	Mississippi St. - 2005 - Lawrence Roberts	-7.8	0	1	69.0	71.0	-10	5.0
24	167	Arkansas - 1978 - Sidney Moncrief	-8.3	0	1	58.0	79.0	-2	-2.0
25	168	Auburn - 1984 - Charles Barkley	-8.4	1	1	71.5	77.0	-8	-3.5
26	176	Arkansas - 2021 - JD Notae	-9.0	0	1	68.0	83.0	-4	-5.0
27	181	Georgia - 1982 - Dominique Wilkins	-9.6	1	1	70.0	78.0	-10	-1.0
28	184	Kentucky - 1970 - Dan Issel	-9.8	0	1	116.0	138.0	-3	-4.0
29	193	LSU - 1970 - Pete Maravich	-12.3	0	1	66.0	67.0	-15	1.0
Conf	Over	WCC All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	18	Gonzaga - 2017 - Nigel Williams-Goss	6.8	3	3	69.8	63.0	5	3.0
2	29	San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell	4.3	2	1	69.0	63.3	5	-0.3
3	51	Loyola Marymount - 1990 - Bo Kimble	1.8	1	2	112.3	108.3	-2	2.3
4	63	Gonzaga - 2023 - Drew Timme	0.8	1	0	86.0	74.0	-2	-7.0
5	120	Santa Clara - 1969 - Dennis Awtrey	-4.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-4	0.0
6	136	St. Mary's - 2023 - Logan Johnson	-5.0	1	1	83.0	84.0	-4	-5.5
Conf	Over	Other All-Time Value Add Basketball Game	Rating	Won	Lost	Pts	Allow	PreS	SOS
1	50	UTEP (Texas Western) - 1966 - Bobby Joe Hill	1.8	2	1	63.7	66.0	-2	6.7
2	54	Jacksonville - 1970 - Artis Gilmore	1.6	1	1	78.0	75.0	2	-2.0
3	86	Bradley - 1950 - Elmer Behnke	-1.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-1	0.0
4	87	Drake - 1969 - Willie McCarter	-1.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-1	0.0
5	88	New Mexico St. - 1970 - Jimmy Collins	-1.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-1	0.0
6	96	Indiana St. - 1979 - Larry Bird	-1.8	1	2	79.7	81.0	3	-4.0
7	99	Holy Cross - 1950 - Bob Cousy	-2.0	1	1	88.0	89.5	-1	-2.0
8	100	Western Kentucky - 1966 - Clem Haskins	-2.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-2	0.0
9	108	Seattle - 1958 - Elgin Baylor	-3.0	0	1	62.0	64.0	-2	0.0
10	134	Buffalo - 2019 - Jeenathan Williams	-5.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-5	0.0
11	135	Long Beach St. - 1972 - Ed Ratleff	-5.0	0	0	0.0	0.0	-5	0.0
12	172	Navy - 1986 - David Robinson	-8.5	0	1	61.0	77.0	-6	4.0
13	190	Princeton - 1965 - Bill Bradley	-10.5	0	1	62.0	79.0	-6	-3.0
14	192	Stephen f austin - 2016 - Thomas Walkup	-11.8	0	1	94.0	95.0	-12	-2.0
15	195	Murray St. - 2019 - Ja Morant	-13.3	0	1	78.0	85.0	-13	-3.0
16	198	Niagara - 1970 - Calvin Murphy	-14.8	0	1	68.0	84.0	-15	6.0
17	199	Princeton - 2023 - Tosan Evbuomwan	-20.5	0	1	50.0	102.0	-16	0.0
18	200	St. Peter's - 2022 - Doug Edert	-22.3	0	1	39.0	77.0	-19	2.0

Montgomery YMCA, VCU Franklin Street Gym and Brushes With Hoops Hero Memories in New Great Teams

A couple of the newest great teams added to the Value AddBasketball Game included a personal connection with a couple of new player cards int he game. We posted pictures of all the new player cards here. We track all scores between our 184 great teams from the reigning UConn champs to the 1943 champs from Wyoming. More than 71,000 unique sports simulation fans have visited the free game.

Mississippi State’s 2005 team that destroyed Stanford in the NCAA tournament before losing to Duke included great 3-point shooter Jamall Edmondson, who was my teammate a few years later when we won the Montgomery YMCA championships. Calvin Duncan from VCU’s 1985 championship team was the star in a win over Steph Curry’s dad and #16 Virginia Tech – a game I watched in person not realizing I was so excited to be there I had left my car running outside the Richmond Coliseum the entire couple of hours.

The reason for the new teams to take us to 184  was a discovery this weekend ...

On the day of the SEC Football Championship that would put Alabama in the football playoffs, I discovered I accidentally did not have all-time great basketball teams in place for four of the SEC schools – both Mississippi schools, Vanderbilt and Texas A&M. My apologies. I double checked again all 80 schools scheduled to have a team in the one of the Power Conferences after the 2024 alignment, and realized I also did not have a Big East Providence team in the game.

Since five is an odd number of teams, I also added the likely the greatest “Mid-Major” team not yet in the game, the 11^th ranked VCU squad that won a game in their 3^rd straight NCAA tournament in 1985. I put all six teams in a tournament with two teams who had just had card adjustments when the block ranges were adjusted for Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell, to form the following 8-team tournament so that all 184 teams will have played a game once we play these four.

Here are the match-ups and we explain what the numbers mean at the bottom of the blog.

Match-ups in our 8-team tournament to try out all my new cards: 

1-seed vs. 8-seed

#54/#20 - Kansas - 1957 - Wilt Chamberlain (1-1, ave score 67.5-74.0), Rating 1.2 vs.

#170/#174 - Mississippi St. - 2005 - Lawrence Roberts (0-0) Rating -10.0

While the ratings of +1.2 to -10 indicates Wilt Chamberlain’s 1957 National Runner-up squad would be about and 11-point favorite against the 2005 Mississippi squad, I could see this match-up giving MSU a chance if you could really play the game.

Mississippi State did have two 7-footers in Marcus Campbell and Wesley Morgan, which would let them foul Wilt 10 times to send him to the line where he was human at 62%.

More importantly with Wilt being one of four players in history with the best block range in the game, the 65 and 66 dice rolls reject only 2-point shots, so the fact that Jamall Edmondson has one of the best 3-points made range in the game (1-5 on the 20-sided die) and Winsome Frazier shot a lot more and had almost as good a range (1-4) including hitting 6 of 8 three-pointers to destroy Stanford 93-70 in March Madness you could see them getting hot.

Jamall’s favorite play in our YMCA championship occurred when I cut to the hoop for one of his always perfect passes, but he lobbed the ball too high – I thought … It turned out the lob was actually for one of our other teammates who was a foot above me cutting from the other side for an alley-oop dunk.

As for our 1-seed in this tournament, Wilt was stopped from winning the title by two coaches with Marquette ties. UNC’s Frank McGuire forced  Kansas into turnovers to hold them to only 53 points in a 3-overtime game for the 54-53 win in the 1957 championship game. The next year former Marquette coach Tex Winter used a triple team against Wilt including telling the team all three needed to follow Chamberlain everywhere he went, even (he joked) to the rest room to give K-State a big upset. Back then you had to win your conference to go to the tournament, so that loss in the regular season left #7 ranked Kansas out of the tournament in Wilt’s only other year as K-State went to the Final Four.

The winner of that game will get the winner of our 4-seed vs. 5-seed game:

#85/#74 - Providence - 1987 - Billy Donovan (0-0), Rating -1.0 vs.

#74/#86 - Texas A&M - 2007 - Acie Law   (0-0), Rating -2.0.

Our middle game features an unbelievable offense directed by two of the greatest coaches ever – Rick Pitino and his point guard and future coach Billy Donovan. Their SRS was lower than most great teams in the game, but then they made an incredible Final Four run with one of the best offenses ever.

Texas A&M is almost the opposite, a dominant defense that ground teams down and made every shot tough, and won at least one game in six straight NCAA tournaments as a model of consistency, including this team that went to the Sweet 16.

 

2-Seed vs 7-Seed

#74/#45 - San Francisco - 1956 - Bill Russell (0-1, ave score 67-74), Rating +1.0 vs.

#113/#146 -  Mississippi - 2002 - Justin Reed (0-0), Rating -6.0.

Wilt’s old foe the great Bill Russell also has one of the four greatest shot-blocking cards and did lose their one Value Add Basketball Game against the great Arizona 2015 team, where they fell short 67-74.

Justin Reed rolled in as a rare 5-star recruit for Mississippi, and in this first freshman season was the go-to guy who took the Rebels to one of only two Sweet 16s in their history and one of only two times they finished the season ranked in the top 20. Reed stayed all four years before going onto the NBA.

The winner of that game faces one of the following two teams, including one I know very well:

3-seed vs 6 Seed

#80/#73 - Vanderbilt - 1993 - Bill McCaffrey (0-0), Rating -1.0 vs.

#125/#135 - VCU - 1985 - Calvin Duncan (0-0), Rating -5.0.

Bill McCaffrey’s transfer from Duke to Vanderbilt as a former McDonald’s All-American ignited an incredible offense that averaged 83 points per game and a Sweet 16 run.  Bill clearly brought great genes to the court as his brother Ed won three Super Bowls with the Broncos.

I grew up a mile from VCU’s court as an avid fan, and years later would once score 31 points in their gym as the state’s Republican legislative aides beat the Democratic legislative aides 52-51 with refs and a scoreboard at Franklin Street Gym.

Calvin Duncan led VCU to opening round wins in three straight NCAA tournaments and gave scares to big conference teams in the second round each year – battling near the end against Georgia, Syracuse and Alabama in consecutive years but falling short of a Sweet 16. It was a lockdown defense and patience offense that held teams to 62 points per game. With all respect to the stunning VCU run under Shaka Smart 25 years later, this was by far the greatest team in VCU history – finishing the season ranked 11^th in the country, 12 points ahead of any other VCU team.

In Marquette intramurals I wore a "Cal" jersey, and once checked into the student health center on the way to a game to check out my ankles and knees. I was told to never play basketball again because at 20 years old my knee cartilage was already so worn. I took my crutches, walked five blocks to the gym, laid the crutches by the court and scored 21 points despite not being able to jump on my shots, and picked the crutches up and hobbled back home to throw ice in our tub and am still playing league ball at 58 years old.

VCUs coach JD Barnett focused the team on average points per trip down the court – basically fi 10guring out www.kenpom.com stats 17 years before they were calculated.

They were also ahead of their time with a stretch forward in 6-foot-8 Mike Schlegel who could pop out and hit what would later become a 3-pointer. Point guard Rolando Lamb battled Steph Curry’s dad Del for a win in the game I mentioned above watching without realizing I’d left my keys in the car. VCU closed the regular season by traveling to Memphis and battling them until near the end- a great showing that looked every better when Memphis went to the Final Four.

While no VCU player went to the NBA, Duncan was drafted but chose to join Athletes in Action, a Christian Group that played games to give their testimony at halftime. One NBA exec commented that they knew he was a good guy, but not THAT good. He is the pastor of Faith and Family Church in Richmond, Virginia.

This Sports Illustrated Story calculates Duncan hit 16 of 28 from 3-point range, and recounts him taking it inside to score on 7-foot-4 Ralph Sampson in a narrow 69-63 loss at #1 UVa. Their two points loss to Georgia in the second round on the NCAA was the only close game in Georgia's run to the Final 4 that year.

Explanation for making the cards:

For each match-up we list the team’s current rank among the all-time Value Add Basketball Game teams, followed by the rank based just on where we rank them based on how good their cards are. So Kansas is ranked #54 all-time now after starting 1-1, but we actually rank them as having the #20 best cards in the game. 

The “rating” after each team indicates how many points better or worse, we rank the team than the “average” great team. Understand the “average” great team is based on a team that is about +17 points better than the average team and made it to the Elite 8. We start with the SRS (Simple Rating System) based on scores and competition, then adjust up for a team that went past the Elite 8 or subtract for teams that did not make it that far, and we also adjust up for teams that provide thei were legit with multiple tournament runs.