Showing posts with label Dave DeBusschere. Show all posts
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Sunday, March 9, 2025

NBA Greats from Small Conferences For Last NIT Spot

This is our third straight NIT game with a 1-point spread or even, as these two teams were added to our game when we were adding teams with an all-time great NBA player - in this case Detroit Mercy's Nate Thurmond (ranked as the 49th greatest pro player ever) facing up against Bowling Green's Dave DeBusschere (73rd).

Detroit Mercy will not be in the Horizon League semifinals Monday night, finishing near the bottom of the league a year after the replacement of Mike Davis, who was unable to repeat the magic he had taking Indiana to the national title, putting together incredible teams at Texas Southern, and then coaching his son Antoine Davis at Detroit Mercy to within three points of breaking Pistol Pete Maravich's all-time NCAA scoring mark. However, their 1960 team was the team we picked as the all-time greatest team from the schools currently in the Horizon League.

Their opponent in our all-time great NIT tournament of great non-power conference teams came just three years later - the 1963 MAC all-time great Bowling Green, which will be a longshot in this year's Mid-American tournament as they start as the 8-seed Thursday against 1-seed Akron. They came off a 20-14 season last year, and played Michigan State tough early in the year, but have slipped t 14-17.

The 1963 team came four years after the Bowling Green football team claimed the small college national championship. The football program has won 12 MAC titles and was coaches for several years by Urban Meyers.

PosDetroit Mercy 1963     Height         Season Stats              Highlights (to be added)
1-PGHowie Komives6'1,NBA20.2 Pts, 3.5 Reb 
2-SGPat Haley6'35.9 Pts, 2.6 Reb 
3-SFWavey Junior6'211.8 Pts, 7.0 Reb 
4-PFElijah Chatman6'37.2 Pts, 6.7 Reb 
5-CNate Thurmond6'11,NBA19.9 Pts, 16.7 Reb 
1-PGBill Reynolds5'104.6 Pts, 1.1 Reb 
2-SGLyle Pepin6'22.2 Pts, 0.7 Reb 
3-SFMel Gilbert6'43.3 Pts, 2.7 Reb 
4-PFBob Carbaugh6'41.9 Pts, 0.9 Reb 
5-CTom Baker6'52.9 Pts, 1.5 Reb 
PosBowling Green 1963HeightSummary 
1-PGRay Albee5'914.4 Pts, 4.2 Reb 
2-SGLarry Hughes6'411.7 Pts, 8.1 Reb 
3-SFGeorge Heger6'35.0 Pts, 5.4 Reb 
4-PFDave DeBusschere6'6,NBA25.6 Pts, 20.0 Reb 
5-CCharlie North6'619.8 Pts, 14.2 Reb 
1-PGTom Villemure5'92.1 Pts, 0.3 Reb 
2-SGFrank Chickowski6'14.3 Pts, 3.1 Reb 
3-SFBob Wright6'41.4 Pts, 1.5 Reb 
4-PFJohn Parker6'41.2 Pts, 2.1 Reb 
5-CDick Dylus6'81.3 Pts, 0.7 Reb

Results of the game will be added, as one team claims the final NIT spot:






The winner of that game will play the Dartmouth early 1940s team in one all-time NIT semifinal which as it turns out will produce one old-timers team in the title game.


Then the two newer teams will play in the other national semifinal. We did not a slight error in the 12 teams created at the end, so their Dunk Ranges and ratings were lowered by 5 as reflected in these cards.








Saturday, December 28, 2024

UCLA 1975 Advances as Value Add point spreads continue incredible accuracy

In our second straight game the new great DYNASTY TEAM in our tournament survived an early foul out by their center to beat the new team in the game because one their PLAYERS is not ranked by the NBA as one of the greatest 75 players in history.

In the ratings on this google sheet when we create the teams, the 1975 UCLA team is a +11 and their opponent the 1960 Detroit Mercy team is a -3, making UCLA a 14-point favorite in the game. Based on www.kenpom.com calculations, a 14-point favorite has about a 91% chance to win. Ralph Drollinger, the 7-foot-2 center from John Wooden's last NCAA champs, fouled out early.

The 14-seed Detroit kept it closer against the 3-seed UCLA, with super star Dave DeBusschere scoing with 7:40 (13 possessions) left to cut the UCLA lead to 55-52. On the next trip, Larry Hughes hit a 3-pointer, and the game was tied 55-55 with a chance for the big upset. However, UCLA then went on a 12-0 run over the next over the next 10 possessions to put the game out of reach en route to a 72-60 win.

The last of the 4 big underdogs added because they had an all-time great player is Bowling Green, that will go in as a 12-point underdog with just a 13% chance against the 1978 Kentucky team. Here are all 8 match-ups: 

Favored by   Chance  Result      Favorite    Year   Rating  Underdog          Year     Rating
2499%W 80-66Cincinnati196217Syracuse1966-7
1895%W 85-65UCLA196415Villanova1950-3
1895%TBDKentucky201216Dartmouth1944-2
1491%W 72-60UCLA197511Detroit Mercy1960-3
1389%TBDUCLA196714Kansas19521
1287%TBDKentucky197810Bowling Green1963-2
1081%TBDDuke199211Connecticut20111
671%TBDUNLV199111North Carolina20175

The chance of winning has proven very accurate in the 274 games between great teams with a favorite have proven incredibly accurate - not too few or too many upsets - based on the chance our predicted spread based on the team ratings would predict. 

UCLA was the 17th team to be a 13 to 17 point favorite, meaning www.kenpom.com would predict a 91% chance of winning - and in fact their win makes the favorites in those games 15-2, or 88%.

As you can see from our tracking table, team's that are 1 to 6 point favorites are expected to win 65% of the time, and in fact those teams are just a few wins short of that at 94-60 for 61%. A team that is favored by 7 to 12 averages winning 80% in real basketball, and in the game they are right there at 71-17 or 81%. And finally teams that are favored by 18 or more should win about 96% of their games, or 24 of 25, and so far they are 15-0 in our game.

The interesting thing is that while the chances of winning are amazingly accurate for favorite teams, the margins of victory for one group of teams has been closer than expected - with teams favored by 13-17 points per game winning by an average of only 7.5 points per game during their 15-2 start.
 
Favorite                                                                   WL      Act W%  Expect W%  ppg  Allow
Games where teams are favored by 1 to 6946061%65%75.371.7
Games where one team was favored by 7 to 12711781%80%76.367.8
Games where one team was favored by 13 to 1715288%91%77.870.3
Games with an 18 to 29 point favorite150100%96%75.158.3
Total Favorite All Games1957971% 
 
       
22 Games with no favorite220NANA76.767.6

In the tournament that leaves Mike Thurmond, one of four players who got his team in this tournament by breaking into the NBA's all-time top 75 players list, with the last of four chances for a "great player" team to beat one of the four new dynasties addedtto the game in 1978 Kentucky, which will be a 12-point favorite and thus have an 87% chance to advance and potentially face another great  Kentucky team and Anthony Davis in the Elite 8.

Likewise if Kareem Abdul-Jabbar can lead 1967 UCLA past Kansas 1952, they will face the first undefeated UCLA champ in the 1964 Bruins from just before he arrived on campus.




Here are the players from both teams.

Detroit Mercy 1960             Ht        Actual Season Stats                           
Ray Albee5'914.4 Pts,4.2 Reb
Larry Hughes6'411.7 Pts,8.1 Reb
George Heger6'35.0 Pts,5.4 Reb
Dave DeBusschere - star6'6NBA,25.6 Pts,20.0 Reb
Charlie North6'619.8 Pts,14.2 Reb
Tom Villemure5'92.1 Pts,0.3 Reb
Frank Chickowski6'14.3 Pts,3.1 Reb
Bob Wright6'41.4 Pts,1.5 Reb
John Parker6'41.2 Pts,2.1 Reb
Dick Dylus6'81.3 Pts,0.7 Reb
UCLA 1975HtActual Season Stats
Pete Trgovich6'410.2 Pts, 3.3 Reb, 2.9 Ast
Dave Meyers6'8NBA,18.3 Pts, 7.9 Reb, 2.6 Ast
Marques Johnson6'7NBA,11.6 Pts, 7.1 Reb, 1.7 Ast
Richard Washington6'11NBA,15.9 Pts, 7.8 Reb, 2.2 Ast
Ralph Drollinger7'2NBA,8.8 Pts, 7.4 Reb, 1.2 Ast
Jim Spillane5'114.5 Pts, 1.2 Reb, 1.7 Ast
Andre McCarter6'3NBA,7.0 Pts, 2.3 Reb, 5.0 Ast
Casey Corliss6'63.1 Pts, 1.3 Reb, 0.7 Ast
Wilbert Olinde6'73.1 Pts, 2.0 Reb, 0.9 Ast
Brett Vroman7'03.5 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 0.5 Ast