Showing posts with label sue bird. Show all posts
Showing posts with label sue bird. Show all posts

Friday, November 22, 2024

Resuming All-Time Great Men's and Women's Value Add Basketball Game Tournaments

We play our Statis-Pro baseball game about half the year, and with the LA Dodgers sweeping our annual World Series, we now return to the Value Add Basketball Game of the all-time great men's and women's college teams.

 WOMEN’S ALL-TIME TOURNAMENT – Pat Summit’s 1998 Tennessee team won the first all-time women’s tournament in the Value Add Basketball game with four straight wins. We had a couple of tournaments going of teams created after that, and have now combined the two tournaments we had going up until we broke for baseball, and reseeded the remaining unbeatens from both tournaments into one. Their bracket appears first below. Below that the remaining men’s unbeaten tournament teams outside of the two champs that already won a full-tournament.

Team, all-time game rank  Best Players (rank if top 40 game card of all-time)  Seed  plays
Connecticut 2002, #2Sue Bird, Diana Taurasi, 3, 7 all-time best player1bye
Tennessee 2007, #3Candace Parker, 10 all-time best player215
Texas 1986, #4Clarissa Davis, 40 all-time best player314
Connecticut 1995, #7Nykesha Sales, Rebecca Lobo, 31, 37 all-time best 413
Old Dominion 1997, #12Ticha Penicheiro512
LSU 2023, #15Angel Reese, 23 all-time best player611
Iowa 2024, #18Caitlin Clark, 8 all-time best player710
Colorado St. 1999, #24Becky Hammon, 19 all-time best player89
Maryland 2006, #26Crystal Langhorne98
Notre Dame 2001, #28Ruth Riley, 32 all-time best player107
Virginia 1991, #30Dawn Staley, 20 all-time best player116
Marquette 2019, #33Chloe Marotta and Natisha Hiedeman125
UCLA 2018, #38Monique Billings134
Kentucky 2013, #39DeNesha Stallworth143
Texas Tech 1993, #44Sheryl Swoopes, 18 all-time best player152

 Team not listed - Tennessee 1998 already won previous tournament. We consider the #2 through #5 seeds heavy favorites, by 9 points or double figures - however the other games are very even.

Men's Tournament

Bill Walton’s 1972 UCLA won 6 straight to take the all-time title from our first 96 Value Add Basketball teams, then Paul Pierce’s 1997 Kansas won 5 straight to win our second title. Since then we added many more teams and every team has played at least once. We have reseeded the remaining 26 teams who are still undefeated, most 1-0. The seeds are based on our rankings right now – which started with how good we believe they are based on their cards but is then adjusted for each win and loss.

We would consider the 5 to 9 seeds as well as 13-seed Duke as double digit favorites, the other games as likely competitive. We did fall into one actual rematch from a regular seasons with the 2023 Texas and Gonzaga teams facing in our #16 vs. #17 seed. They did actually play early that season and Texas destroyed the Zags, but it was at Texas and at the end of the season the Zags did go to the Final 4 while Texas was beaten in the Elite 8.

Men's unbeaten                             Player(s)                              Seed        Plays
Connecticut 2023, #7Adama Sanogo1bye
Connecticut 1996, #14Ray Allen #522bye
Western Kentucky 1966, #24Clem Haskins3bye
Houston 2021, #26Quentin Grimes4bye
Purdue 2024, #35Zach Edey528
Michigan 1993, #36Chris Webber #65627
Rutgers 1976, #39Phil Sellers726
North Carolina 1972, #40Bob McAdoo #54825
UCLA 2008, #44Russell Westbrook #46924
Colorado 2021, #56McKinley Wright1023
Tennessee 2023, #59Santiago Vescovi1122
Georgetown 1989, #63Alonzo Mourning #691221
Duke 2015, #65Justise Winslow1320
North Carolina 2022, #67Armando Bacot1419
SMU 2017, #70Semi Ojeleye1518
Texas 2023, #71Marcus Carr1617
Gonzaga 2023, #76Drew Timme1716
Kansas 2022, #79Ochai Agbaji1815
Xavier 2023, #86Jack Nunge1914
Miami 2023, #131Norchad Omier2013
Arizona St. 2009, #139James Harden #332112
Oregon St. 1990, #140Gary Payton #482211
LSU 1953, #147Bob Pettit #312310
NC St. 2024, #153D.J. Burns249
Louisville 1968, #178Wes Unseld #60258
Duquesne 2024, #203Jimmy Clark267
Gonzaga 1981, #216John Stockton #25276
Massachusetts 1971, #219Julius Erving #19285

For google sheet users, you can click for all our former results in MEN'S and WOMEN'S Games.

Saturday, May 25, 2024

Updated Scoresheet and Value Add Basketball Instructions - UCLA 2018 & Texas 1986 Advance, 12 debut games left

We just updated our Value Add Basketball Game instructions with some new screen shots of key players as well. You can still read the entire instruction this main post for playing the free game, but here is the new beginning of the post. Now that we have the 64 women's teams in place, we also tweaked the scoresheet to show where quarters end.

Our most recent game was a 71-63 win by UCLA 2018 over USC 1994. In that game the double dimes indicate USC star center Lisa Leslie gets the ball on a 5, 7 or 8 while the UCLA star points guard Jordin Canada (20 points and 5 steals in this win) gets the ball on a 1, 6 or 7. UCLA moved up from 43rd to 35th in our updated all-time rankings, while USC dropped from 44th to 54th, but Cheryl Miller's USC team from 11 years earlier is 12th all-time. 

The 2010 Oklahoma team looked strong despite the 66-76 loss vs the first undefeated team - Texas 1986. Texas dropped from 3rd to 4th all-time due to the closer than expected loss, while Oklahoma shot up from 52nd to 45th all-time with the strong showing.





You can print out the scoresheet below in 2 pages, or open this google sheet to score a game. You do need this scoresheet to determine who gets rebounds and for the starting stats for a Value Add Basketball Games since we start players with two points and some other stats and a 20-20 score to keep the play time for the game to 30 to 45 minutes.



Choose the teams you want to play. Click on one of the following links to choose your men's team ...

... or to choose a woman's team:

We added 11 great women's teams due to more stats becoming available and us finding the coveted Texas 1985-86 stats to make that team (they actually recorded even blocked shots and steals that many did not record until years later).

On this link, Women's Great Teams - Arizona 2021 to Marquette 2019, we added Arizona 2021 (page 1), Auburn 1989 (page 2), Louisiana Tech 1987 (page 19) and LSU 2005 (page 23).

On this link, Women's Great Teams - Maryland 2006 to Stanford 2021, we added Michigan State 2005 (page 2), Notre Dame 2012 (page 8), Oklahoma 2002 (page 12), Old Dominion 1985 (page 15) and Old Dominion 1997 (page 16).

The big two changes were to the third and final - Women's Greats Hoops - Tennessee (8 of greatest 50 ever and we included 3) to Washington 2007Tennessee (8 of greatest 50 ever and we included 3) to Washington 2007 - with perhaps the greatest team ever (Texas 1986) added as well as Tennessee 1989 to give Pat Summit perhaps three of the top seven teams in the game. They are on pages 1 and 4 respectively.

4/24/2024 Note - below the dunk chart used to double check what the DUNK or STOP range are, we have added the new Advanced Jack Gohlke "Dunk Range" Rule.

We track all results - click here for all-time men's results and here for all-time women's results.

College  Basketball Reference references to player cards listed above - Caitlin Clark, Jalen Brunson, Charles Barkley, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, A'ja Wilson, Breanna Stewart, Sue Bird (her UConn teammate Diana Taurasi may have been the greatest pro), Maya Moore, Tamika Catchings, Bill Walton, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird




Here are the games in our new 64 team tournament - but only the 14 games matching teams yet to play in the game. All men's teams have been played in a game.

TeamYrPlayerRateSpreadOpponentYrResult   
Arizona2021Aari McDonald-8-14Louisiana Tech1988 
Auburn1989Carolyn Jones611Rutgers1988 
Colorado St.1999Becky Hammon-4-2Stanford2012 
Indiana2024MacKenzie Holmes-5-13Notre Dame2012 
Kentucky2013DeNesha Stallworth-33LSU2005 
Louisiana Tech1988Teresa Weatherspoon614Arizona2021 
Louisville2009Angel McCoughtry-5-4Old Dominion1985 
LSU2005Sylvia FowlesSeimone Augustus-6-3Kentucky2013 
Marquette2019Chloe Marotta, N Hiedeman-5-17Tennessee1989 
Maryland2006Crystal Langhorne12NC State2024 
Michigan St.2005Liz Shimek01Rutgers2005 
NC State2024Aziaha James-1-2Maryland2006 
North Carolina2007Ivory Latta-1-6Old Dominion1997 
Notre Dame2012Kylar Diggins813Indiana2024 
Ohio State1993Katie Smith13Vanderbilt2002 
Oklahoma2010Abi Olajuwon-5-19Texas1986L66-76
Oklahoma2002Stacey Dales-40Texas Tech1993 
Old Dominion1985Adrienne Goodson611Louisville2009 
Old Dominion1997Ticha Penicheiro56North Carolina2007 
Rutgers1988Sue Wicks-5-11Auburn1989 
Rutgers2005Cappie Poindexter-1-1Michigan St.2005 
Stanford2012Nnemkadi Ogwumike-22Colorado St.1999 
Tennessee1989Bridgette Gordon1217Marquette2019 
Texas1986Clarissa Davis1419Oklahoma2010WW76-66
Texas Tech1993Sheryl Swoopes-40Oklahoma2002 
UCLA2018Monique Billings-30USC1994W71-63
USC1994Lisa Leslie, Tina Thompson-30UCLA2018L63-71
Vanderbilt2002Chantelle Anderson-2-3Ohio State1993

Thursday, April 18, 2024

Biggest Upsets and Blowouts by All-Time Great Men's and Women's Teams

Since inventing the Value Add Basketball Game five years ago, we have played 287 games between all-time great teams, and the biggest upsets to date have been by Auburn 2019, Stephen Curry’s Davidson, DePaul 1980 men and two by the Notre Dame 2019 women. We just finished double checking and updating all of our men's and women's scores.

The favorite in a given game can be calculated by subtracting one team’s “rating,” which appears above their player cards, from the other team’s rating. If one team is playing at home – meaning they are allowed to change any roll of 36 to 66 (to create a foul on the home team that was not called) or a 66 to 36 (to create a bad call against a visiting player) then adjust another three points in favor of the home team.

So far 20 of our 287 games were "even" ratings so there was no favored team.  In the other games:

Favored by                          Won       Upset        Win%
18 points or more150100%
10 to 17 points501281%
7 to 9 points33979%
1 to 6 points945464%
Total Favorites Record1927572%

Biggest Favorites and Blowouts So Far

The biggest favorites so far in our game were by UConn men’s and women’s teams.

Sue Bird's 2002 UConn team was a 26-point favorite against Elena Delle Donne’s Delaware, and after Delaware led at halftime UConn pulled away from a 75-46 win to actually cover.

UConn Men’s 2023 team was the only bigger favorite ever in our game, as a 29-point favorite against the Saint Peter’s 2022 team that made the Elite 8 despite not being in the top 100 teams in www.kenpom.com. UConn made that hold up with a 77-39 win, a 38-point win that was the third biggest margin we’ve ever had in our game.

Houston 2021 beat Princeton 2023 by an 102-50 score for the biggest at 52-points, and UConn’s 2016 with perhaps the greatest player ever, Maya Moore, defeated the Long Beach State 1987 team 98-53 for a 45-point margin.

Biggest upsets

Auburn 2019 with Chuma Okeke was a 17-point underdog against Kentucky 2012 with Anthony Davis, but pulled off the 75-68 upset. While this was an upset, Auburn barely lost in the Final 4 on a tough call, and that was after Okeke had a terrible injury during Auburn’s blowout win against the 2019 Kentucky win. They were not as good as the 34-1 Kentucky 2012 team, but they were by far the best team at the end of the 2019 season before the injury. 

Davidson 2008 with Stephen Curry was a 16-point underdog against 2-time champion Florida 2006 with Joakim Noah and a host of NBA stars, but Curry went crazy in a 68-52 win. This game was before we invented the 20th century teams, so we had 21st century teams in conferences playing home and home series, and Florida had already beaten Davidson before this rematch.

DePaul 1980 with Mark Aguirre and Terry Cummings was a 16-point underdog against UCLA 1967 with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but stunned them 86-71. We thought Kareem’s team might have been the best team ever, but DePaul got up and down the court in the win. While DePaul never made the big run, they often seemed like the top team in the country during the regular season  but just couldn’t seem to avoid the early upset in March.

While we haven’t played as many women’s games since the stats were not filled in until a few years later, the two biggest upsets in a couple of dozen games were both by Notre Dame 2018 with Arike Ogunbowales, who made our first Women’s Final Four as our 11-seed.

We played our opening rounds of the women’s conference at home sites of the better seed, which changes about three calls a game for about a 3-point edge.

Notre Dame went on the road to Texas A&M as a 7-point underdog with the A&M home court advantage and overcame the bad calls in a 76-69 win. After another win, they advanced to the Final Four.

In the Final Four, Notre Dame was an even bigger 10-point underdog against Maya Moore and UConn 2016, which we consider one of the three best teams in the game.  The Irish pulled off a shocker 76-62.

Friday, April 12, 2024

The Best 40 College Women Basketball Players Ever

Scroll down for the count down of the all-time top 40 college women's basketball players. The intro paragraphs below cover the decade of work we believe makes this list as accurate as can be. The decision to use all the research to rank the players resulted from some of the 70,000+ unique visitors to the Value Add Basketball Game, who having played games between some of the hundreds of greatest TEAMS ever said they'd like separate cards (click here to print all 40) for just the greatest PLAYERS  ever play the game. This allows a draft and fantasy league games rather than being tied to actual teams. 

This top 40 builds on my development of the www.valueaddbasketball.com system, which was used by NBA officials in draft prep. After a team official tipped off Sports Illustrated about the system, they gave this nice summary: 

As a longtime fan of Bill James' baseball books … Pudner (was) curious about adapting the baseball sabermetrics concept of "Wins Above Replacement (Player)," or WAR, to rate the value of individual college hoops players. The metric he settled on, called "Value Add," attempted to quantify the percentage drop-off if, say, Ohio State were to give all of Jared Sullinger's possessions to a generic, ninth or 10th man on a Division I bench.

We further built upon that system to develop the free Value Add Basketball Game, featured in SIMS magazine after NBA team officials who met with me regarding prospects asked me to attend the MIT Sloan convening of statistical experts such as Nate Silver.


This Top 40 has certain advantages over other methods that could be used to determine the best players in college basketball history.

Dominant Defenders Averaging < 15 ppg - Jordan, Taurasi, S. Bird

1.      We measure defense (and Strength of Schedule faced by each player) with the same precision and weight that is often used only on the offensive side of the court.  For example, Michael Jordan led UNC to the 1982 title despite averaging fewer than 15 points a game, and his 1 steal, 0 blocked shots and 4 rebounds per game also would not indicate how elite he was already. On the UConn Women’s undefeated run 20 years later neither did Diana Taurasi or Sue Bird averaged 15 points per game though some argue they were on the way to becoming the two best players in the world. 

However, the measures we first developed a decade ago measured the incredible lockdown defense of players on UNC Men’s 1982 team and UConn Women’s 2002 season and credits the players for STOPS beyond just steals, blocked shots and defensive ratings. Its not important for the reader to understand the Defense -6 rating for Bird and Taurasi vs. the +7 for Caitlin Clark, but that is a precise measurement of how much more likely each opposing player is to score if guarded by Clark than against either of the UConn players. 

2.     Clark and the Top 5 Ever at Hitting the Open Shot

 Having mentioned Clark is not an elite defender, rest assured how dominant we all know she is on offense. Strong defenders sometimes deny a shot or force an uncomfortable shot, while weaker defenses from lesser teams breakdown more often to allow an uncontested lay-up.

 However, in the game if neither of those things happen then basically the player gets an open shot to try to score or draw a foul while shooting. Based on our calculation, only four other players in history are comparable to Clark on converting a non-layup open shot. Per 20 shots (as measured in our game by a 1-20 die roll), if a player only needed to take about 25% of their teams shots (Clark’s figure was actually 44%), the only four players likely to produce more than 24.5 points per 20 shots excluding open lay-ups are (note we corrected a formula error after first posting to correct these figures): 

  1. Nancy Lieberman, Old Dominion 1980 - 26.3 per 20 non-layup open looks
  2. Breanna Stewart, Connecticut 2016 – 25.8
  3. Caitlin Clark, Iowa 2024 – 25.6
  4. Cheryl Miller, USC 1983 – 25.5
  5. Maya Moore, Connecticut 2010 – 24.6

Based on the fact that Clark faced tougher competition than Lieberman’s 1980 ODU team (women's basketball was not an NCAA D1 sport until two years later), the case is good that Clark is the greatest offensive player in the history of college basketball. 

3.  Adjusting for Position - Point Guards and Centers

One other key to determining the best 40 players in history is understanding that a player must be valued above a likely replacement AT THEIR POSITION. The player card for a center who scores a few feet from the basket after catching a pass, cannot be used in the game as a point guard who would be dribbling up the court against pressure defense.

Some at the MIT convening argued with me regarding the extra valuation I credited in the Value Add Basketball system, but is simply must be done. A point guard handles the ball a lot more than other players and thus it is much tougher for them to avoid turnovers than other players. 

A special thanks go Ainsworth Sports for their incredible work to categorize and rank professional women's players - including this database ranking all the point guards. Ainsworth factors only professional careers, while the rankings below factor only college careers - but to have this master list of every player good enough to play point guard in a professional league was an invaluable cross reference to be sure was flagging elite point guard play.

In our great players game, the truly elite passing point guards have an extra mark on their card that lets them lower teammates shooting die by 1 to increase their chance of scoring by 5%. On the flip side, if a team is put on the court without a true point guard, we adjust in the other direction. You don’t need to play the game to get the idea, as for the Top 40 rankings, each group of five players (1st through 5th, 6th through 10th… etc) all had to include at least one point guard. 

If point guard were no harder or important to play than other positions, three players would have been ranked a bit lower, but due to this requirement; 

  • Dawn Staley of the 1991 UVa team is moved up slightly to No. 20 all-time as the “all-time 4th team” point guard, 
  • Cynthia Cooper for the 1983 USC team is moved up slightly to No. 25 as the same for the “5th team,” and
  • Lindsay Whalen of the 2004 Minnesota team is move up slightly to No. 30 as the “6th team” point guard. 

On the flip side, Centers for most of history have better stats because they caught the ball near the basket for higher percentage shots. For this reason, we do not allow more than one center in any of the groups of five or on the court at the same time in a game. A true center is defined in the game as a player with a 5-C on their card who also does not have any made 3-pointers on their card. To have two players in that category on the court would be clogging the middle. 

Therefore, if you just looked at stats regardless of position, you would likely rank our 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th team centers higher overall - but instead they are ranked at the top of each 5-group set:

  1. Breanna Stewart of UConn 2016 is not effected as she ranks No. 4 overall as our "1st team Center,"
  2. Brittney Griner is our all-time 2nd team Center so grabs the top spot of the next five players at No. 6
  3. Pam Kelly of 1982 Louisiana Tech is our 3rd best all-time center and thus 11th on the all-time list,
  4. Tina Charles of 2010 UConn is our 4th best center and thus claims the 16th all-time spot to stop the 4th team
  5. Finally, Chamique Holdsclaw of 1998 Tennessee is No. 21 as the “5th team center.” As dominant as Holdsclaw was, her 56.7 percent shooting on 2-pointers as a center was a good 5% lower than the four centers we put above her in the ranking of the five dominant centers.

Many would argue for all five of those centers, including Holdsclaw, to be in the top 10, but we believe this is more accurate because a good replacement center would provide more than good backups at other positions, and while the Shooting Guards, Small Forwards and even Power Forwards (now that even can be a 4th guard in the modern game) are a lot more interchangeable than centers or point guards even though those last four could all rank higher if we disregarded positions. 

The Top 40 – Count Down

With that as background, the following are the cards in our game for the Top 40 women’s college basketball players of all-time in count down order.  It is not necessary to play or know the rules of the Value Add Basketball Game to read through the cards – but the ranges will give you a basic idea of how often each player got off the shot (in blue – Clark joins Pistol Pete Maravich as the only players in history got have the ball almost 44% or more of their team’s positions as the ultimate “go-to” players who get the ball on four of eight rolls on the 8-sided die).

 Other ranges give you an idea of how often the player stole the ball, blocked shots, fouled, turned it over, got to the hoop for a layup or shut down their opponent (Adj op Lay-up is that number with negatives being great defenders). Then the 20-sided die range for shooting or drawing fouls, free throw percentage (Sue Bird’s 1-19 Free Throw Made and 20 missed reflects her hitting 95% of all free throws), offensive and defensive rebounds, and finally Stamina (44 indicated they play the whole game with no rests).

Note - we had a formula error that threw off the "Points per 20 open figures" so we corrected and reposted the 40 cards below. That catch mainly just updated that figure for all 40 cards as a guide for how good a shooter each player was - however, it did lead to one update in the Top 5 we will save for the end.

The 40th to 31st Best Women’s College Basketball Players in History:  40,  Clarissa Davis; 39,  Sylvia Fowles; 38,  Angel McCoughtry; 37,  Rebecca Lobo; 36,  Cappie Pondexter; 35,  Ivory Latta; 34,  Seimone Augustus; 33,  Tina Thompson; 32,  Ruth Riley; 31,  Nykesha Sales.



The 30th to 21st Best Women’s College Basketball Players in History: 30,  Lindsay Whalen; 29,  Sue Wicks; 28,  Cindy Brown; 27,  Katie Smith; 26,  Lisa Leslie; 25,  Cynthia Cooper; 24,  Nnemkadi Ogwumike; 23,  Angel Reese; 22,  Katie Lou Samuelson; 21,  Chamique Holdsclaw.

 


The 20th to 11th Best Women’s College Basketball Players in History: 20,  Dawn Staley; 19,  Becky Hammon; 18,  Sheryl Swoopes; 17,  Penny Toler; 16,  Tina Charles; 15,  Kelsey Plum; 14,  Sabrina Ionescu; 13,  Elena Delle Donne; 12,  Nancy Lieberman; 11,  Pam Kelly.

We featured Pam Kelly's backup Debra Rodman, sister of Dennis Rodman.


The Top 10 Best Women’s College Basketball Players in History: 10,  Candace Parker; 9,  Cheryl Miller; 8,  Caitlin Clark; 7,  Diana Taurasi; 6,  Brittney Griner; 5,  A'ja Wilson; 4,  Breanna Stewart; 3, Sue Bird; 2,  Maya Moore

1,  Tamika Catchings.

At one point I thought of whimping out and putting teammates Taurasi and Bird in a tie for a particular spot, since they are so connected as teammates, doing the radio show together and really similar stats in college. I admit I just don't watch much NBA or WNBA because I'm so focused on college - but I believe Taurasi is considered by at least some the greatest pro ever with Bird a few spots lower. However, there stats (and thus player cards below) are just so similar that the fact that point guard is a harder position, and the fact that steals are such the crucial college stat, that those two are the reason I conclude that Bird was just a little more valuable than Taurasi to the 2002 undefeated season - but a close call.


Moore and Catchings are so close in value that they really could be listed as tied for Number 1, so I went to way too indepth reviews of both of them to determine the slight difference between the two of them to determine Catchings had a slight, slight edge over Moore for the all-time best.

Feel free to stop reading here and just consider them co-champs - but if you want way to much detail on why Catchings is No. 1 ...

As for Tamika Catchings being No. 1- she starts with a huge head start on the defensive side, as the only men's or women's player in the elite top level of STEALS (11-16,31 is not only the highest rating but the 31 indicates she can steal from any of the opposing five players) and BLOCKS (21-26,32 likewise indicates she can also block anyone's shot on the court - in both cases not just the player she is guarding.

However, with all that it still came down to a photo finish between her and Maya Moore for the best player of all-time from our calculations - as both finished a good distance ahead of Sue Bird and the rest of the field.

Moore was a good shot blocker, but a big gap between Moore's 21-26 to block the shot of the player she is guarding, and Catchings' 21-26, 32 to block the shots of any of the five opposing player.

Both are perfect on steals, with the rare combo of almost never fouling - distancing themselves from the rest. 

Catchings gets another small but important edge by rarely turning the ball over (only 41-42). 

They are virtually even in scoring with Catchings hitting a few more 3-pointers and drawing more fouls, but Moore getting to the hoop more for 2-pointers. 

The two are by far the best rebounders among non-centers, with Moore taking a tiny edge back with her 1-9 rebounding on offense and defense, while Catchings is 1-9 on offense but one notch down at 1-8 on defensive rebounds. Only three all-time centers have better rebounding numbers than the two of them.

In the end, it's a photo finish with Catchings nudging out Moore for the greatest college basketball player of all time.

Her rebounding figures of 1-9 on Offensive Rebounds and 1-8 on Defensive Rebounds 






Thursday, April 11, 2024

2 Birds and 25 New All-Time Great Value Add Basketball Teams




Click for the new 25 new teams in the Value Add Basketball Game and on click here for the 10-minute video rotating highlights of the two Birds above - Sue and Larry. Scroll down for the updated Bird vs. Magic line-ups. UConn's 2002 team with Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi - who will we will play next - could be the best team in the game at first glance. For 2002 they both hit an incredible number of threes, and just never let their opponents score.

See this blog for the incredible first game of this tournament - featuring Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi against upset-minded Delaware and Elena Delle Donne.

The 25 new teams include 16 women's teams to make sure we had cards for all 40 of the greatest college women's players of all time, then nine men's teams. NC State and Purdue were added for their first Final 4 in years, while the other seven won an NCAA game this year and did not have a team in the game until now.

The week of the biggest college women's game to date (Caitlin Clark's Iowa vs. Dawn Staley's South Carolina) we updated the line-ups for the biggest men's game in history (Larry Bird's Indiana State vs. Magic Johnson's Michigan State). We did the latter because a reader noted we did not have the players in the same positions and the Spartans usually ran - so we corrected that and looked up the title game and saw Larry Bird was actually the center for Indiana State that day so did their line-up as well (see both revised below). The biggest change is at point guard, where Steve Reed is now the starter for Indiana State and Terry Donnelly for Michigan state in the game.

UConn is the number 1 seed in this new tournament and looks every bit as good as Tennessee 1998, who won our tournament of the teams already in the game, and Connecticut 2016 with Maya Moore, who we seeded as #1 in that tournament. But all of the teams in this tournament have one of the greatest 40 players of all time, and for the 16-seed that is Elena Delle Donne trying to pull her team to a huge upset. 

It looks uphill as we rank this UConn team a +14 to be tied for first of all great teams, and Delaware a -12 compared to the other great teams in the game (so still much better than most teams in their season) so it will take some great die rolls just like it would take a great game by Delaware and off night by UConn in real life to make this one close. The #5 seedVirginia team in the tournament is Staley's team as a player.

The 9 new men’s include two teams that made their first Final 4 in many years – NC State and Purdue, and the other teams who won at least one tournament game and did not yet have a team in the game; Colorado St., Duquesne, Grand Canyon, James Madison, Oakland, Utah St. and Yale.

Here are three starting line-ups. First, yes the "other Bird" from